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[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by iamthelurker

I can name 15 other riders who get Fly Down to switch leads and get up to win the Travers.

When 3 yo's in 1 1/4 Grade 1 races don't switch leads I would tend to think that the jockey probably isn't the issue.

[iamthelurker]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

When 3 yo's in 1 1/4 Grade 1 races don't switch leads I would tend to think that the jockey probably isn't the issue.

When you get beat a nose it is.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by iamthelurker

When you get beat a nose it is.

Why do you think the horses didn't switch?

[iamthelurker]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why do you think the horses didn't switch?

He didnt even try to make him switch buddy.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by iamthelurker

He didnt even try to make him switch buddy.

There are two primary reasons why a horse wont switch leads. One is they are green and can become distracted. The other is physical. Perhaps the horse didn't switch because he was already on his more comfortable lead? Horses running in the Travers shouldn't need the jockey to "ask" him to change leads. And how do you know he didn't "ask" him? Did you see him fail to hit the change leads button?

[alysheba4]

he has a magical eye for horses........

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

When 3 yo's in 1 1/4 Grade 1 races don't switch leads I would tend to think that the jockey probably isn't the issue.

You'd probably be right if this were the occasional thing with Lezcano. But if you watch his rides up at SAR you find a common theme: can't keep horses on righty lead in the stretch.

His masterpiece was on Stevil, the other day. I counted at least FIVE lead changes in the lane.

In other words, Lezcano SUCKS when it comes to handling horses -- in general and especially under pressure.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

You'd probably be right if this were the occasional thing with Lezcano. But if you watch his rides up at SAR you find a common theme: can't keep horses on righty lead in the stretch.

His masterpiece was on Stevil, the other day. I counted at least FIVE lead changes in the lane.

Jockeys dont keep horses from changing leads. A horse that changes leads in the stretch 5 times is a horse that has some issues. About the only thing that you can accurately glean from lead changes is that a horse that wont change or changes back to the wrong lead is probably hurting. Everything else is pretty much horse specific.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Jockeys dont keep horses from changing leads. A horse that changes leads in the stretch 5 times is a horse that has some issues. About the only thing that you can accurately glean from lead changes is that a horse that wont change or changes back to the wrong lead is probably hurting. Everything else is pretty much horse specific.

You're missing the point. MOST good jocks can keep horses on righty lead in the drive. If you watch enough races you realize that while horses do win when they don't change leads, they win even less when they stay on righty lead briefly, changing back lefty. This is because, obviously, they've gone around the turn lefty. Watching a few of Lezcano's rides makes it obvious that he not only is a very weak handler of horses when it counts, in the lane, but he's unable to keep them on righty lead. Clearly, there are horses that don't change leads or, even, more rarely, horses that change repeatedly. Typically, multiple changers are cheaper horses, mostly fillies, and sore horses. This isn't the case with Stevil. In fact, I believe that just about any other jock wins with Stevil last time out.

Is there an argument that maintaining the same lead, and thus continuity of stride, is a huge plus in winning a race? Your better jocks, those, in particular, that can finish well, excel at this. Your weaker finishers don't.

[iamthelurker]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

You're missing the point. MOST good jocks can keep horses on righty lead in the drive. If you watch enough races you realize that while horses do win when they don't change leads, they win even less when they stay on righty lead briefly, changing back lefty. This is because, obviously, they've gone around the turn lefty. Watching a few of Lezcano's rides makes it obvious that he not only is a very weak handler of horses when it counts, in the lane, but he's unable to keep them on righty lead. Clearly, there are horses that don't change leads or, even, more rarely, horses that change repeatedly. Typically, multiple changers are cheaper horses, mostly fillies, and sore horses. This isn't the case with Stevil. In fact, I believe that just about any other jock wins with Stevil last time out.

Is there an argument that maintaining the same lead, and thus continuity of stride, is a huge plus in winning a race? Your better jocks, those, in particular, that can finish well, excel at this. Your weaker finishers don't.

Co-sign.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

You're missing the point. MOST good jocks can keep horses on righty lead in the drive. If you watch enough races you realize that while horses do win when they don't change leads, they win even less when they stay on righty lead briefly, changing back lefty. This is because, obviously, they've gone around the turn lefty. Watching a few of Lezcano's rides makes it obvious that he not only is a very weak handler of horses when it counts, in the lane, but he's unable to keep them on righty lead. Clearly, there are horses that don't change leads or, even, more rarely, horses that change repeatedly. Typically, multiple changers are cheaper horses, mostly fillies, and sore horses. This isn't the case with Stevil. In fact, I believe that just about any other jock wins with Stevil last time out.

Is there an argument that maintaining the same lead, and thus continuity of stride, is a huge plus in winning a race? Your better jocks, those, in particular, that can finish well, excel at this. Your weaker finishers don't.

You do realize you're pretty much a joke, right? Stevil has raced 30 times now. He has 6 wins and and 8 seconds in those 30 starts. All 6 of those wins have come with Lezcano up. 6 of the 8 seconds have come with him up. JV finished 2nd with him once and Cornelio finished 2nd with him once.

The following jocks have also ridden Stevil with combined 0 wins and 2 seconds:

JV
Cornelio
Bejerano
Alan Garcia
Castro
Hill
Castellano
Maragh
Luis Garcia
Bravo
J. Bridgmo