8/29 (SAR): Personal Ensign S. (G1)

[Dahoss]

Any wonder why The Closeted Man suits you?

[CSC]

This may sound blunt but it's true; however if the knee benders over there knew just how a site should be run thanks to Mr. Byk, I doubt PA would exist. BUT even I wouldn't want some of the airheads that post over there to invade this forum.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by CSC

This may sound blunt but it's true; however if the knee benders over there knew just how a site should be run thanks to Mr. Byk, I doubt PA would exist. BUT even I wouldn't want some of the airheads that post over there to invade this forum.

I have been exchanging emails with there leader for about a week now. The guy is a clown and clueless, he darts me for NO REASSON AT ALL. Then in his emails to me, he is actually bringing up other posters and asking me questions about them, basicley telling me to spill it and I can return.

[brockguy]

69-1 the winner was on Betfair

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by brockguy

69-1 the winner was on Betfair

She was an 80/1 shot on paper. Two wildly superior horses with similar running styles - and she was only the 2nd best horse of the remaining three. She was truly no great bargain at 69/1 even knowing the two favorites might hook up hard because Life At Ten had nothing to gain from finishing 2nd.

I didn't look yesterday - but I'd be curious to know what she was trading at to hit the board if you saw it.

[slotdirt]

Just thinking about Zenyatta for a second - has there ever been a horse who's made the HOF without ever running at Belmont, Saratoga, or Churchill? Just curious.

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Just thinking about Zenyatta for a second - has there ever been a horse who's made the HOF without ever running at Belmont, Saratoga, or Churchill? Just curious.

Native Diver ?

[Linny]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Just thinking about Zenyatta for a second - has there ever been a horse who's made the HOF without ever running at Belmont, Saratoga, or Churchill? Just curious.

By the time she retires (if all goes to plan) Z will have run in the BCC at Churchill. I'd have to search for an answer to the question, though I imagine it's quite probably "yes."

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Just thinking about Zenyatta for a second - has there ever been a horse who's made the HOF without ever running at Belmont, Saratoga, or Churchill? Just curious.

Most of Secretariat's glorious 21 races were on the "island" of New York State.

He ventured to Kentucky once, New Jersey twice and Maryland twice.

His last race was in Toronto, just a stone's throw from Finger Lakes.

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

She was an 80/1 shot on paper. Two wildly superior horses with similar running styles - and she was only the 2nd best horse of the remaining three. She was truly no great bargain at 69/1 even knowing the two favorites might hook up hard because Life At Ten had nothing to gain from finishing 2nd.

I didn't look yesterday - but I'd be curious to know what she was trading at to hit the board if you saw it.

I was just looking at the win pool to be honest but Ill get you the place pool info when I get the info - though it was 2 places only rather than 3.

I had a nightmare betting the race. I was all set to go against Rachel in it. Instead of laying Rachel at 1.56 (she drifted to 1.8 just before off time!), I thought Id be very cute and back heavy on Life at Ten at 3.65 and light on Miss Singhsix at 15 and ignore the two rank outsiders. That came back to bite me big time.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by brockguy

I was just looking at the win pool to be honest but Ill get you the place pool info when I get the info - though it was 2 places only rather than 3.

I had a nightmare betting the race. I was all set to go against Rachel in it. Instead of laying Rachel at 1.56 (she drifted to 1.8 just before off time!), I thought Id be very cute and back heavy on Life at Ten at 3.65 and light on Miss Singhsix at 15 and ignore the two rank outsiders. That came back to bite me big time.

Life At Ten was a really bad play in there for the simple fact that she was in a lose/lose. If her rider relaxed her off of RA - she likely finishes 2nd by 4 lengths to RA. If she hooks RA - she has to do it from the outside - which is a total death sentance.

[Thunder Gulch]

On paper the BCC field was better than what RA faced and light years better than anything Zenyatta has faced in the last 2 years. That's on paper, however, and the race was won on plastic. Who knows what would have happened on a fast dirt track- we know Zenyatta would have scratched if not fast- but you can't just look at the likes of the Euros and Gio and talk about their mere presence making the quality of racing better. If they were on grass its a different story for those. I also wouldn't judge Summer Bird on the basis of that plastic track effort. That was a heck of a nice colt during the summer/ fall campaign, so an unfamiliar surface after a long year doesn't tell the tale. Call him the worst Belmont/Travers winner ever if you will, but that's a tag most any would take. In between those, he was crushed by that filly..
As for Rachel - clearly not the same horse. Even the die hards who pointed to good times in earlier losses have little to look at this time. Some are excusing it saying she dueled, but last year she dueled in quicker fractions and won the Preakness and Woodward. I'll admit last year wasn't the greatest group of 3yo ever assembled, but you don't win 100+ year old classics like the KY Oaks by 20 lengths or leave a trail of records without showing greatness. Spectacular Bid and Ruffian didn't beat much but they stopped the clock faster than anyone had ever done on more than one occasion.

[ateamstupid]

I guess it'll be the Distaff. She's a terrific horse and being limited to brilliance at nine furlongs is no shame.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I guess it'll be the Distaff. She's a terrific horse and being limited to brilliance at nine furlongs is no shame.

The race doesn't prove she has distance limitations.

Life At Ten went on a suicide mission.

[Alan07]

Does Andy put the dunce cap on now?

[Danzig]

congrats to shug, he ought to be thrilled right now.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by Danzig

congrats to shug, he ought to be thrilled right now.

And the Phipps and their homebred.

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The race doesn't prove she has distance limitations.

Life At Ten went on a suicide mission.

And Rachel was IN FRONT of the suicide mission horse...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by pba1817

And Rachel was IN FRONT of the suicide mission horse...

I know - just as Xtra Heat was in front of the suicide mission Harmony Lodge in the Test.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The race doesn't prove she has distance limitations.

Life At Ten went on a suicide mission.

Dude wake up. Your not the know all end all. Is there such a thing called class anymore? She should beat that Shug horse. The fractions were not that hot and she got gunned down by the definition of a plodder. Keep making excuses though. Ateam is right go crush the Beldame and win the Ladies BC race. Nothing wrong with that.