farve please..

[The Indomitable DrugS]

What's so great about Brett Favre? He played like a million years - and only has a single ring to show for it ... and that one ring came thanks in part to the 1996 Packers #1 rated defense in the entire NFL.

Without Sterling Sharp to throw to - and without that Reggie White led #1 defense in the entire NFL - where are his rings?

I'll tell you who was a real loser though - that Barry Sanders guy.

Nevermind that Sanders went to 10 Pro Bowls - I don't think the Lions ever won a single playoff game the entire time he was in Detroit.

A running back that was actually a winner - like the great Reggie Bush for instance - would have surely won a Super Bowl in Detroit.

I remember when Sanders somehow took the Lions to the playoffs in '95 - they give up 58 points to the Rodney Peete led Eagles in the wild card game. Scott Mitchell threw 4 INT's in the first half - and they pulled him and his backup came in and threw 2 more.

Once that loser finally retired and left Detroit - the Lions have been a near dynasty ever since.

[slotdirt]

Barry Sanders won a playoff game in 1991. Count it.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Barry Sanders won a playoff game in 1991. Count it.

Wow. Didn't remember that. So, in his entire career - he won only a single playoff game.

He played on some truly miserable teams after that. There were years when he was probably the single best player in the entire league - and his team was 5-11 or 6-10.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsFhZ...eature=related

[slotdirt]

The Lions made the playoffs something like five times in the 90's. Those were legitimately the glory years of the franchise in the post-merger era. Nothing even close to a winning record since 2001 when Paul Edinger hit a 55-ish yard field goal to beat the Lions - and knock them out of the playoffs - with like 20 seconds left in the last week of the season. BIll Ford Sr. hired Matt Millen like a week later and the rest, as they say, is history.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Imagine if he played on those Cowboys teams that Emmit Smith played on.

They had an absolutely devastating offensive line. Probably the best offensive line I've ever seen. Yet Troy Aikman, Emmit Smith, Micheal Irvin, and Alvin Harper got all the credit for their offensive success ... those four were all overrated as hell .. but obviously very solid players.

They also had a pretty damn good defense in Dallas.

The fact that Troy Aikman only managed to win 3 Super Bowls with what he had around them there shows either A.) how hard it is to win a Super Bowl or B.) how much of a loser Aikman is.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Imagine if he played on those Cowboys teams that Emmit Smith played on.

They had an absolutely devastating offensive line. Probably the best offensive line I've ever seen. Yet Troy Aikman, Emmit Smith, Micheal Irvin, and Alvin Harper got all the credit for their offensive success ... those four were all overrated as hell .. but obviously very solid players.

They also had a pretty damn good defense in Dallas.

The fact that Troy Aikman only managed to win 3 Super Bowls with what he had around them there shows either A.) how hard it is to win a Super Bowl or B.) how much of a loser Aikman is.

You are right on the Cowboys skill guys getting overrated by the lineman but the 91-92 Redskins is the best line I have ever seen.

Barry was a defensive killer, his own defense that is. His style of running meant it was 3 and out or a quick drive with a long run. Either way the defense was back out there quickly. That isn't the formula for winning football games, 4 yards in a cloud of dust is. I'd like to see how many teams have made it far in the playoffs with as many runs for zero or negative yards as Sanders routinely had. I bet the list is short cause that isn't the way to win football games. Also, Barry's line was not bad like people make it out to be, he had 1-2 Pro Bowlers on his line virtually every year he was there. It was his own style of always looking for the big play that caused so many runs for negative yards.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Imagine if he played on those Cowboys teams that Emmit Smith played on.

They had an absolutely devastating offensive line. Probably the best offensive line I've ever seen. Yet Troy Aikman, Emmit Smith, Micheal Irvin, and Alvin Harper got all the credit for their offensive success ... those four were all overrated as hell .. but obviously very solid players.

They also had a pretty damn good defense in Dallas.

The fact that Troy Aikman only managed to win 3 Super Bowls with what he had around them there shows either A.) how hard it is to win a Super Bowl or B.) how much of a loser Aikman is.

as much as it pains me to say it... Troy Aikman was a terrific QB.

I went to a lot of Eagles / Cowboys game in the 90's and the Cowgirls O-line was superb. You could literally drive a truck through the holes they would create. Not to say Emmit wasnt a great running back, but any running back with the skill level to play in the NFL would have THRIVED with that line.