8/21 (AP): International Festival of Racing

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by miraja2

So according to you:

last week's Sword Dancer was "horrible."
Kantharos "sucks."
and this trio of races is "miserable."

It might be time for you to find a new hobby my friend.

Honestly though, don't you think the races are a bit disappointing this year?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Honestly though, don't you think the races are a bit disappointing this year?

Certainly they aren't the best races in the history of Arlington's signature day, but I wouldn't call them "miserable." I think the big Paddy-Workin showdown in the Secretariat makes that race interesting. The Beverly D is a highly competetive race. The Million has the division leader and several intriguing spoilers coming off of very good prep races.
Again, nobody is going to confuse any of these races with the 1978 JCGC, but they aren't bad.

[Clip-Clop]

I really hope Ave is 5-1

[hockey2315]

Were these really great races last year? They look semi-bettable, but who really knows w/o PP's.

[eajinabi]

Eclair De Lune looks very intruiging. Came a game second to Tuscan Evening (RIP) last out and McCanaly was very high on this horse from the start and him shipping out of cali is very rare.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I actually think these three races are all pretty interesting races - and atleast two of them should ultimately be good betting races.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I actually think these three races are all pretty interesting races - and atleast two of them should ultimately be good betting races.

When I said miserable, I was talking about the quality.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I really hope Ave is 5-1

I hope they bet her, though I like Attfield as a trainer, his career record in open grade 1's would make you want to rush to the windows to bet against him.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by CSC

I hope they bet her, though I like Attfield as a trainer, his career record in open grade 1's would make you want to rush to the windows to bet against him.

So Attfield is 0 for his last 17 in GI races. He also has a positive ROI on the turf over the last five years by a large margin. 98-526 with an ROI of $2.41, that's phenomenal with that kind of sample size.

NT

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

So Attfield is 0 for his last 17 in GI races. He also has a positive ROI on the turf over the last five years by a large margin. 98-526 with an ROI of $2.41, that's phenomenal with that kind of sample size.

NT

Was Alydeed his last grade 1 winner? I remember Talkin Man winning the Wood Memorial but I'm pretty sure it wasn't a grade 1 then. He does well with what he has, no argument there, but his horses almost always seem to be short of grade 1 caliber.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Perfect Soul.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by CSC

I remember Talkin Man winning the Wood Memorial but I'm pretty sure it wasn't a grade 1 then.

The last time the Wood wasn't g1 was when they didn't have gradings for stakes.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

So Attfield is 0 for his last 17 in GI races. He also has a positive ROI on the turf over the last five years by a large margin. 98-526 with an ROI of $2.41, that's phenomenal with that kind of sample size.

NT

His numbers in these races are not great, I get that. Just thinking the horse will run well, like Ramon too. I will be betting her, for sure. Not enough to affect the odds though.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

His numbers in these races are not great, I get that. Just thinking the horse will run well, like Ramon too. I will be betting her, for sure. Not enough to affect the odds though.

In the Dance Smartly she seemed like she was always going to get up but Mekong Melody another Attfield horse held on, the turf course there can be misleading. There is a big misconception that stretch runners have an inordinate advantage on the long stretch. Jambalaya never ran as well on that course as he did at GP and yes Arlington Park. If there is an angle at work for you maybe this is it and she will improve at AP. Still she won't get a nickle from me.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Certainly they aren't the best races in the history of Arlington's signature day, but I wouldn't call them "miserable." I think the big Paddy-Workin showdown in the Secretariat makes that race interesting. The Beverly D is a highly competetive race. The Million has the division leader and several intriguing spoilers coming off of very good prep races.
Again, nobody is going to confuse any of these races with the 1978 JCGC, but they aren't bad.

I guess if you're speaking relatively to what is running this year..

(what makes you think the Paddy - Hops showdown is going to be any different than their meeting at CNL?)

[hockey2315]

Paddy isn't unbeatable, but there's no chance that Working for Hops beats him in a fairly run race.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Paddy isn't unbeatable, but there's no chance that Working for Hops beats him in a fairly run race.

So then who beats him? Or is he unbeatable in this spot?

[hockey2315]

I don't know much about that euro, so I'll have to wait for the PP's on him. The 2 is semi-live at a price.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

So then who beats him? Or is he unbeatable in this spot?

The Irish one says Wigmore Hall is gonna run huge. It screws up my plans because that makes him an auto use for me, two deep, Wigmore Hall and Paddy O Prado

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by Scav

The Irish one says Wigmore Hall is gonna run huge. It screws up my plans because that makes him an auto use for me, two deep, Wigmore Hall and Paddy O Prado

Why haven't they run him against anyone worth a darn yet?

Another thing that scares me away from that horse...the Jamie Spencer factor. It can never be underestimated.