Raw Talent...

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

2/9/03 Fairgrounds... It was a Grade 3 that Balto Star actually won, Mineshaft finished second, less then a length ahead of Bonapaw.
After that race is when he appears to have got really good, winning 6/7 and all 7 races he beyered 114 or higher.

Big brown, midnight lute, fusaichi Pegasus of the ones that haven't been named

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Big brown, midnight lute, fusaichi Pegasus of the ones that haven't been named

I loved Fu Peg. Big Brown SUCKED.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I loved Fu Peg. Big Brown SUCKED.

I think one could make a case fupeg was the most talented of that group in 2000.

Big brown hardly sucked. He didn't beat much but that fla derby win was pretty darn impressive any way you cut it.

Did anyone name street cry?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I think one could make a case fupeg was the most talented of that group in 2000.

Big brown hardly sucked. He didn't beat much but that fla derby win was pretty darn impressive any way you cut it.

Did anyone name street cry?

No, he was ok. Popped by Left Bank at the Spa. Left Bank was freaky good. Ended his career with back to back 121 beyers, one going 7f in the Grade 2 Tom Fool the other going 9f in the Grade 1 Whitney. Also ran 118 beyers winning the Cigar Mile and the Vosburg, both Grade 1's

People have brought up Discreet Cat a few times, I think Left Bank would have handled him.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

No, he was ok. Popped by Left Bank at the Spa. Left Bank was freaky good. Ended his career with back to back 121 beyers, one going 7f in the Grade 2 Tom Fool the other going 9f in the Grade 1 Whitney. Also ran 118 beyers winning the Cigar Mile and the Vosburg, both Grade 1's

Left bank must have eaten his wheaties before that Whitney. Amazing how he got that 9f

[dalakhani]

Street cry was just "okay"? He was extremely talented. He just couldn't stay together.

[JerseyJ]

How about Speightstown who only missed the board twice in his career, first in his debut, and 2nd going two turns in the Gotham. Beat BC Classic Champion Volponi in a 7F sprint off of a nearly 2 year layoff, ended up getting laid up again later that year for almost another year and then came back as good as can be in 04.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I loved Fu Peg. Big Brown SUCKED.

so, borrego was a beast and big brown sucked.....your take on talent is interesting to say the least.

[Athletics005]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I loved Fu Peg. Big Brown SUCKED.

I don't understand at all your hatred towards Big Brown and love towards borrego. One actually had a decent about of raw talent and it wasn't Borrego.

You have Eskendreya on your list who is by far the most comparable horse to Big Brown. Both with ultra impressive prep races over pathetic competition. Similar beyers, trips, etc/ The only difference is Big Brown actually won the Kentucky Derby in style (4 wide all around). I think your judging BB on what happened after the derby where for whatever reason he wasn't the same horse (but the raw talent was there).

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Athletics005

I don't understand at all your hatred towards Big Brown and love towards borrego. One actually had a decent about of raw talent and it wasn't Borrego.

You have Eskendreya on your list who is by far the most comparable horse to Big Brown. Both with ultra impressive prep races over pathetic competition. Similar beyers, trips, etc/ The only difference is Big Brown actually won the Kentucky Derby in style (4 wide all around). I think your judging BB on what happened after the derby where for whatever reason he wasn't the same horse (but the raw talent was there).

Borrego ran 2 really good races, one giant visually impressive race.
He is not really on my list, but I just mentioned him when someone brought up Bellamy Road.
Eskendereya IMO would have CRUSHED BIG BROWN.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Borrego wasn't that much and certainly not a raw talent.

His big race was an optical illusion aided by a very strong pace. The final half mile was like almost 52 seconds.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Borrego wasn't that much and certainly not a raw talent.

His big race was an optical illusion aided by a very strong pace. The final half mile was like almost 52 seconds.

Ok. I guess the Pacific Classic was nothing...
With the **** we have saw the past few years no less.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Ok. I guess the Pacific Classic was nothing...
With the **** we have saw the past few years no less.

That was another melt down race - they went 22 and change and 45 and change at 10fs and he basically outfinished Perfect Drift and beat PD by like a half.

Borrego was like an older horse version of an Ice Box or Giacomo.

[Athletics005]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Borrego ran 2 really good races, one giant visually impressive race.
He is not really on my list, but I just mentioned him when someone brought up Bellamy Road.
Eskendereya IMO would have CRUSHED BIG BROWN.

Being the most visually most impressive (in which Borrego would no doubt qualify) doesn't equate to raw talent. I think most would agree the reason it was SO visually impressive in the JCGC was because of the trip he got. That's why no one is awarding a great like sinister minister any raw talent award for his heavily aided blue grass win.


I think Eskendereya was extremely talented, and the 3 year old division still hasn't found anything with half the ability he has, but to say he would have CRUSHED Big Brown is awfully bold considering how similarly their careers began.

[Travis Stone]

There are tons, but I'll add one to the list (there are dozens more)... Xtra Heat.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

It's borderline a crime that Congaree's name hasn't been mentioned after 50 posts in this thread.

He overcame a ton of health issues - six weeks after breaking his maiden he toyed with Monarchos in a very swift Wood Memorial win - followed that up with a 3rd place finish in the Ky Derby where he ran a miracle mile and still ran a 109 Beyer despite hitting the wall in the final furlongs.

He was amazing for a one year stretch as an older horse.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It's borderline a crime that Congaree's name hasn't been mentioned after 50 posts in this thread.

He overcame a ton of health issues - six weeks after breaking his maiden he toyed with Monarchos in a very swift Wood Memorial win - followed that up with a 3rd place finish in the Ky Derby where he ran a miracle mile and still ran a 109 Beyer despite hitting the wall in the final furlongs.

He was amazing for a one year stretch as an older horse.

A crime? Why dident you mention him instead of the crap you posted above... Lets look at your list again. Put your powers to good use, instead of this filth....
1.) Zenyatta
2.) Furthest Land
3.) Vale of York
4.) She Be Wild
5.) Man of Iron
6.) Dancing In Silks
7.) Joe Flacko - or whatever it was the '08 BC Classic winner was named
8.) Stardom Bound

Where was Congaree here?