Zenyatta to the Beldame after Saturday

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by CSC

I did a quick scan of the 3 most prestigious races in So Cal, The Hollywood Gold Cup, The Pacific Classic and the Santa Anita Handicap, winners only. Only 2 eastern based horses have won any running of these races since 1995 Cigar and Skip Away before the sythetics age. If winners are any indication, the evidence does not show horses ship out west any more than they do now. Einstein shipped and won on rubber, so I see no difference or atleast as it pertains to winners.

Interesting that Zenyatta has spent nearly her entire career in Southern California and hasn't made a start in any of the "3 most prestigious races in So Cal..."

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Interesting that Zenyatta has spent nearly her entire career in Southern California and hasn't made a start in any of the "3 most prestigious races in So Cal..."

You do know she is a filly/mare.

[slotdirt]

Excuses are like a-holes.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by CSC

You do know she is a filly/mare.

You do know that fillies/mares run against males often.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You do know that fillies/mares run against males often.

And she did win the BC Classic.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by CSC

And she did win the BC Classic.

Does this ever get old?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Does this ever get old?

For the record, you brought her up. You then posted she didn't run in either the Pacific Classic, Hollywood Gold Cup and Big Cap as to infer she never raced against males. So I mentioned the BC Classic to you, yes this never gets old...for you.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by CSC

For the record, you brought her up. You then posted she didn't run in either the Pacific Classic, Hollywood Gold Cup and Big Cap as to infer she never raced against males. So I mentioned the BC Classic to you, yes this never gets old...for you.

The topic is about Zenyatta. I found it interesting that even you acknowledge that she has avoided the most prestigious races in the area she has spent nearly her entire career. Races that she was eligible for and could have run in.

I never inferred she has never raced against males. I'm familiar with her racing record. I was commenting that this all time great has not run in any of those prestigious races. How many other all time greats can we say the same thing about?

[slotdirt]

You know, I hate that the Breeders Cup has expanded as much as it has, but with synthetics in play, it's just not possible to fairly run the Breeders Cup at a single track. The synthetics horses need to be separated into their own divisions. Honestly.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You do know that fillies/mares run against males often.

Can you give me the other fillies besides RA and Zenyatta who have tried to run against older horses in the marquee races on dirt/syn of the past decade or so? Races like the Woodward, JCGC, SA Derby, Hol GC, PC, Clark, Foster, Pim Special, and BC Classic?

I came up with like two. Turf yes its done more often, especially the mile distance.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Can you give me the other fillies besides RA and Zenyatta who have tried to run against older horses in the marquee races on dirt/syn of the past decade or so? Races like the Woodward, JCGC, SA Derby, Hol GC, PC, Clark, Foster, Pim Special, and BC Classic?

I came up with like two. Turf yes its done more often, especially the mile distance.

Goldikova and Six Perfections?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by CSC

Goldikova and Six Perfections?

they are turf milers......those are not the american classic races...forgot the Donn in there.

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Can you give me the other fillies besides RA and Zenyatta who have tried to run against older horses in the marquee races on dirt/syn of the past decade or so? Races like the Woodward, JCGC, SA Derby, Hol GC, PC, Clark, Foster, Pim Special, and BC Classic?

I came up with like two. Turf yes its done more often, especially the mile distance.

I'm going with Azeri (Met Mile, Breeder's Cup Classic) and Island Fashion (Big Cap) and of course Devil May Care

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Revidere

I'm going with Azeri (Met Mile, Breeder's Cup Classic) and Island Fashion (Big Cap) and of course Devil May Care

how did they do?

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

how did they do?

Ahem....Not well.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

how did they do?

Rags to Riches

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Can you give me the other fillies besides RA and Zenyatta who have tried to run against older horses in the marquee races on dirt/syn of the past decade or so? Races like the Woodward, JCGC, SA Derby, Hol GC, PC, Clark, Foster, Pim Special, and BC Classic?

I came up with like two. Turf yes its done more often, especially the mile distance.

Can you give me the other 17-for-17 bestest mares of all-time? We're led to believe that her success is unprecedented. If that's so, her challenges should be as well.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Can you give me the other 17-for-17 bestest mares of all-time? We're led to believe that her success is unprecedented. If that's so, her challenges should be as well.

Dahoss does not put her in that group, at least I think thats what he has said.

No filly can consistently run with older colts and win.......you can take that to the bank. Once, twice maybe, but not 3-4 times a year, IMO. It will break them.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Dahoss does not put her in that group, at least I think thats what he has said.

No filly can consistently run with older colts and win.......you can take that to the bank. Once, twice maybe, but not 3-4 times a year, IMO. It will break them.

I think you just changed your argument. Regardless, it happens in Europe all the time. Heck, St. Trinians just tried the boys this spring. Life is Sweet did it last year. Were those restricted races, or are you just ignoring the posts that have been made since you posited this question that completely refute your argument?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Dahoss does not put her in that group, at least I think thats what he has said.

No filly can consistently run with older colts and win.......you can take that to the bank. Once, twice maybe, but not 3-4 times a year, IMO. It will break them.

I don't think even you put her in that group. She's ducked too many races.