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Originally Posted by oracle80

PSH, I personally am the charter member of the I hate horses who hang or have constant excuses club. But I'm wondering those bashing him actually watched his races, or ever watch races at all other than if they bet a race.

Most Euros will not show speed from the gate no matter how well they are training in their US debuts. In Europe horses are basically allowed to walk out of the gate and are never hustled or asked for speed(See Gorella's pp's earlier in the card as an example). Cacique was no exception to this rule. Breaking slowly and showing no speed he was taken 10 wide on the tight turned SA turf course and still came rolling home like a runaway freight train.
In his last Prado schooled Pval and locked him up and threw away the key. On the blimp shot(by the way it has to be the greatest innovation ever, in watching a blimp shot you REALLY get to see a trip) Pval starts trying to lean out and get out a half mile into the race and you can see Edgar saying no way man, you are screwed. Pace was dawdling and he was locked up tight. WHile hes locked in EC clears the horses in front and spurts away witha full head of steam and momentum while Pval is still trying to get out of the jail sentence that prado imposed on him. Gets taken 5 wide, and flies home the last 1/8th in 11 FLAT!!! This isn't a horse with push button exceleration, this is a horse who starts to roll and will give you a 1/4 mile run that will crush others. No excuses today, he will just roll and take dead aim.

I've been waiting for Cacique's return here at Belmont. I'm building a huge Pick 4 around him.. I just hope I don't miss on the other legs.

[Scurlogue Champ]

I'm still taking Grey Swallow here.

Although the arguments for Cacique are compelling.

[Gander]

The whole world knows what kind of trip Cacique had last time. Its not privy info. Not bashin the horse at all, just dont think a good trip necessarily equals a win. Especially in a completely paceless race with Relaxed Gesture and Grey Swallow, 2 horses he hasnt met yet.

Do I think he can win? Sure.
Do I think he can get a better trip? Sure.
Do I think he would have won his last w/o trouble? Sure.

But I think hes going to be a lot shorter than the price people are thinking. I believe he'll go favored at about 8/5 and worth trying to beat, in a race without a tiring target.

Good luck. If I go deep in picks, he will be on my ticket.