Rule of Thumb for wagering at Keeneland

Originally Posted by oracle80

You are reading me a chart call. You are't telling me what you saw. Which I take to mean that you can't. You haven't given me any specifics about her trip or things like who she chased and when she was put in a drive.

Well that is what I saw. She chased everyone as she broke last. She had a nice trip around the outside. The first horse she chased was Cappozenne and then Sabatinni. But a horse who breaks 9th and ends of being 3rd losing by 1 length tells me she didnt spin her wheels. Now, again----how can a horse who spins her wheels finish 3rd when breaking last?

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Well that is what I saw. She chased everyone as she broke last. She had a nice trip around the outside. The first horse she chased was Cappozenne and then Sabatinni. But a horse who breaks 9th and ends of being 3rd losing by 1 length tells me she didnt spin her wheels. Now, again----how can a horse who spins her wheels finish 3rd when breaking last?

When the race is VERY slow, and the horse though breaking last is given a good pace to close on because horses hook up on the front end, and in addition gets a clean trip with no steadying or blocking the whole way adn is put into a HARD drive being asked for everything she has on the turn and is beaten by horses who PASS HER FROM BEHIND. You grasp this?
You are fraudulently trying to represent this is a situation where she was closing on horses she couldnt quite get to, rather than she was behind a duel and got a great trip and got swallowed up by horses who passed her from behind.
The race got an awful fig too.
Other than that it was a "stellar performance".

Originally Posted by oracle80

When the race is VERY slow, and the horse though breaking last is given a good pace to close on because horses hook up on the front end, and in addition gets a clean trip with no steadying or blocking the whole way adn is put into a HARD drive being asked for everything she has on the turn and is beaten by horses who PASS HER FROM BEHIND. You grasp this?
You are fraudulently trying to represent this is a situation where she was closing on horses she couldnt quite get to, rather than she was behind a duel and got a great trip and got swallowed up by horses who passed her from behind.
The race got an awful fig too.
Other than that it was a "stellar performance".

Heaven forbid he read a chart call but it's ok for you to speak of the fig? Unbelievable.

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Heaven forbid he read a chart call but it's ok for you to speak of the fig? Unbelievable.

Is that what you are reduced to? I didn't quote the fig, I don't recall it exactly, but I recall it being slow. And I didn't have to "look it up".

[Cajungator26]

It'd be nice if you all could BE NICE!

Originally Posted by oracle80

Is that what you are reduced to? I didn't quote the fig, I don't recall it exactly, but I recall it being slow. And I didn't have to "look it up".

So you accuse euro of not watching the race and give him crap for using a chart yet it's ok for you to recall the fig was slow? Don't you see the hypocrisy? You demand all of this evidence from everyone yet you're the naysayer and it's your duty to prove the surface is unbettable. You haven't. Get over it. You can't always be right. Don't be so condescending and elitist about the subject. You come off as a petty bastard.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

So you accuse euro of not watching the race and give him crap for using a chart yet it's ok for you to recall the fig was slow? Don't you see the hypocrisy? You demand all of this evidence from everyone yet you're the naysayer and it's your duty to prove the surface is unbettable. You haven't. Get over it. You can't always be right. Don't be so condescending and elitist about the subject. You come off as a petty bastard.

Maybe I need to repeat my post, Listerfiend. LMFAO!

BE NICE!

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Maybe I need to repeat my post, Listerfiend. LMFAO!

BE NICE!

Listerfiend hasn't been doing his job. The river will run red with blood if he continues to slack on the job.

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

So you accuse euro of not watching the race and give him crap for using a chart yet it's ok for you to recall the fig was slow? Don't you see the hypocrisy? You demand all of this evidence from everyone yet you're the naysayer and it's your duty to prove the surface is unbettable. You haven't. Get over it. You can't always be right. Don't be so condescending and elitist about the subject. You come off as a petty bastard.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
I said its unbettable for ME!!!! I also said that Joel's theory of taking 5-1 or better on this surface might be great idea and proposed taking 10-1.
You'll never beat me on any horse knowledge in any area, never, ever.
But you are a funny guy. Don't take it personally.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
I said its unbettable for ME!!!! I also said that Joel's theory of taking 5-1 or better on this surface might be great idea and proposed taking 10-1.
You'll never beat me on any horse knowledge in any area, never, ever.
But you are a funny guy. Don't take it personally.

With the full fields of course you should look for value. I thought that was common knowledge? I don't know what I would do without the brilliant advice you two give. It's great that we've got so many professional horsemen such as yourself to let us little people know where we stand.

And they wonder why the sport is dying.

Originally Posted by oracle80

When the race is VERY slow, and the horse though breaking last is given a good pace to close on because horses hook up on the front end, and in addition gets a clean trip with no steadying or blocking the whole way adn is put into a HARD drive being asked for everything she has on the turn and is beaten by horses who PASS HER FROM BEHIND. You grasp this?
You are fraudulently trying to represent this is a situation where she was closing on horses she couldnt quite get to, rather than she was behind a duel and got a great trip and got swallowed up by horses who passed her from behind.
The race got an awful fig too.
Other than that it was a "stellar performance".

She actually bumped Sabatini so she didnt get a clean trip. And I dont consider the horses hooking up front playing into the equation. Point is, she closed nicely to get 3rd beaten by 1 length. That was a very nice performance.