Rule of Thumb for wagering at Keeneland

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I am not denying anything. I am saying she had a nice close to get third. She wasnt spinning her wheels at all. She looped along and then found her best stride and closed nicely for third. Funny she was 8th behind about 6 lengths at the half pole. Then she closed nicely to miss by 1 length. Hmmmm...doesnt sound like she was spinning her wheels that day at all.

You are a joke when it comes to race watching if you think that.
That day was my first and only day of betting polytrack.
I played her that day and keyed her. I was watching her the whole way. Guidry had her in a hard drive on the turn and she couldnt gain an inch. It wasn't a real close, the two horses she was chasing droppewd dead after a duel and she passed those two only after getting passed by the other two.
Never at any time did she ever look she had any chance whatsoever of winning.
Then WIth A City won, and that was enough polytrack for me thanks!!!

Originally Posted by oracle80

You are a joke when it comes to race watching if you think that.
That day was my first and only day of betting polytrack.
I played her that day and keyed her. I was watching her the whole way. Guidry had her in a hard drive on the turn and she couldnt gain an inch. It wasn't a real close, the two horses she was chasing droppewd dead after a duel and she passed those two only after getting passed by the other two.
Never at any time did she ever look she had any chance whatsoever of winning.
Then WIth A City won, and that was enough polytrack for me thanks!!!

Wouldn't you say that your wager has clouded your view of the race? I'm not sure because i'm not as smart as you. Hell...nobody on this board is.

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Wouldn't you say that your wager has clouded your view of the race? I'm not sure because i'm not as smart as you. Hell...nobody on this board is.

Oracle knows everything. Didn't you know that. That is why he is such a big player in the game. I read about him everyday on the bloodhorse. LOL.

[Nostradamus]

There really is no rule when betting Keeneland. It is a new surface and the best way to bet it is to bet on class alone. It is a good meet to save all the information and charts from. There probably will be all sorts of little angles.

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Oracle knows everything. Didn't you know that. That is why he is such a big player in the game. I read about him everyday on the bloodhorse. LOL.

Yeah he's the guy behind the guy behind the guy.

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Wouldn't you say that your wager has clouded your view of the race? I'm not sure because i'm not as smart as you. Hell...nobody on this board is.

My wager was on Lemons, and I don't see how that could cloud anything mr advocate.
You have a pretty big mouth so perhaps you could enlighten me as to teh finer points of the race of which I KNOW what happened.
Coronados Vision went out and dueled with someone else. My basis of playing the race was that I HATED the favorite sabatini of Biancone's who was a ridiculously overbet odds on fave.
Top Notch lady who I believe was casse's horse won teh race and Lemons was under a HARD drive halfway through the turn and spinning her wheels. She then passed the duelers eventually(I cant remember who Coronado dueld with, I admit that) and never looked like a winner.
Now please explain to me how that wager clouded my vision. I know what i saw and it was a very lackluster performance with no excuses at all.
YOu wanna watch knowledge of this game with me? Go for it, I'll enjoy smoking you right here on any topic you choose!!!
Now please give me your take of that race that lemons lost. Tell me how you think it set up and your visual impressions of what the participants that you can recall did.
I'm very much looking forward to it.
People who comment on races they didn't see or about as absurd as any people I can imagine. How teh hell can anyone question what someone else saw in a race if they didn't see it themselves? Its insane.

By the way Top Notch went on to win a grass stakes race or high priced allowance at Woodbine later on this past year. But pillow, I'm sure you knew that right?

Originally Posted by oracle80

My wager was on Lemons, and I don't see how that could cloud anything mr advocate.
You have a pretty big mouth so perhaps you could enlighten me as to teh finer points of the race of which I KNOW what happened.
Coronados Vision went out and dueled with someone else. My basis of playing the race was that I HATED the favorite sabatini of Biancone's who was a ridiculously overbet odds on fave.
Top Notch lady who I believe was casse's horse won teh race and Lemons was under a HARD drive halfway through the turn and spinning her wheels. She then passed the duelers eventually(I cant remember who Coronado dueld with, I admit that) and never looked like a winner.
Now please explain to me how that wager clouded my vision. I know what i saw and it was a very lackluster performance with no excuses at all.
YOu wanna watch knowledge of this game with me? Go for it, I'll enjoy smoking you right here on any topic you choose!!!
Now please give me your take of that race that lemons lost. Tell me how you think it set up and your visual impressions of what the participants that you can recall did.
I'm very much looking forward to it.
People who comment on races they didn't see or about as absurd as any people I can imagine. How teh hell can anyone question what someone else saw in a race if they didn't see it themselves? Its insane.

It's amazing you're so resolute in the running of the race yet you wagered on the horse. This all comes down to your inability to find fault in anything you do that is horse racing related. Unfortunately for polytrack it is to blame for your failure to pick the winner. And thus polytrack is bad for the game because you lost a bet. Boo hoo.

How about we duel in a game of tetris?

You need me to mock you a little harder until you finally get a clue, punchy?

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

It's amazing you're so resolute in the running of the race yet you wagered on the horse. This all comes down to your inability to find fault in anything you do that is horse racing related. Unfortunately for polytrack it is to blame for your failure to pick the winner. And thus polytrack is bad for the game because you lost a bet. Boo hoo.

How about we duel in a game of tetris?

You need me to mock you a little harder until you finally get a clue, punchy?

I don't see how who I wagered on would change the outcome of how who ran where and what and how.
I'm tellin ya what I saw.
If you had actaully seen the race you might be able to debate it.
But alas, you didnt, so you wanna try and make witty quotes about dueling with tetris.
I thought I made a horrible bet at the time to be honest, and didn't blame anyone but me. I cursed myself out for betting Dallas Stewart who I have had VERY little luck wagering on. I sure didn't blame Polytrack. So you can strike that as a theory.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I don't see how who I wagered on would change the outcome of how who ran where and what and how.
I'm tellin ya what I saw.
If you had actaully seen the race you might be able to debate it.
But alas, you didnt, so you wanna try and make witty quotes about dueling with tetris.
I thought I made a horrible bet at the time to be honest, and didn't blame anyone but me. I cursed myself out for betting Dallas Stewart who I have had VERY little luck wagering on. I sure didn't blame Polytrack. So you can strike that as a theory.

Ok I was just a little thrown off at this quote and I went with it.

Originally Posted by oracle80

You are a joke when it comes to race watching if you think that.
That day was my first and only day of betting polytrack.

It's obvious you don't blame poly.

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Ok I was just a little thrown off at this quote and I went with it.



It's obvious you don't blame poly.

That was based on With A City, and I notice you left that part of the quote out.
You aren't a very good sleuth, to say the very least.

Originally Posted by oracle80

You are a joke when it comes to race watching if you think that.
That day was my first and only day of betting polytrack.
I played her that day and keyed her. I was watching her the whole way. Guidry had her in a hard drive on the turn and she couldnt gain an inch. It wasn't a real close, the two horses she was chasing droppewd dead after a duel and she passed those two only after getting passed by the other two.
Never at any time did she ever look she had any chance whatsoever of winning.
Then WIth A City won, and that was enough polytrack for me thanks!!!

Losing by a 1 length and you say your horse had no chance of winning--ha ha. That is funny. She ran a good race. You dont know how to watch a race on PolyTrack.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Losing by a 1 length and you say your horse had no chance of winning--ha ha. That is funny. She ran a good race. You dont know how to watch a race on PolyTrack.

Im stll waiting for you to describe the running of the race as you saw it.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Im stll waiting for you to describe the running of the race as you saw it.

I already answered this. Lemons Forever, broke slowly, looped around in 3rd about 6 lengths from the 1st place horse. Found her best stride (like she always does) and closed nicely to lose by 1 length. Watch her previous races and it is the same pattern.

My question to you--how can a horse who spins her wheels close to lose by 1 length?

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I already answered this. Lemons Forever, broke slowly, looped around in 3rd about 6 lengths from the 1st place horse. Found her best stride (like she always does) and closed nicely to lose by 1 length. Watch her previous races and it is the same pattern.

My question to you--how can a horse who spins her wheels close to lose by 1 length?

You are reading me a chart call. You are't telling me what you saw. Which I take to mean that you can't. You haven't given me any specifics about her trip or things like who she chased and when she was put in a drive.

Originally Posted by oracle80

You are reading me a chart call. You are't telling me what you saw. Which I take to mean that you can't. You haven't given me any specifics about her trip or things like who she chased and when she was put in a drive.

Well that is what I saw. She chased everyone as she broke last. She had a nice trip around the outside. The first horse she chased was Cappozenne and then Sabatinni. But a horse who breaks 9th and ends of being 3rd losing by 1 length tells me she didnt spin her wheels. Now, again----how can a horse who spins her wheels finish 3rd when breaking last?

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Well that is what I saw. She chased everyone as she broke last. She had a nice trip around the outside. The first horse she chased was Cappozenne and then Sabatinni. But a horse who breaks 9th and ends of being 3rd losing by 1 length tells me she didnt spin her wheels. Now, again----how can a horse who spins her wheels finish 3rd when breaking last?

When the race is VERY slow, and the horse though breaking last is given a good pace to close on because horses hook up on the front end, and in addition gets a clean trip with no steadying or blocking the whole way adn is put into a HARD drive being asked for everything she has on the turn and is beaten by horses who PASS HER FROM BEHIND. You grasp this?
You are fraudulently trying to represent this is a situation where she was closing on horses she couldnt quite get to, rather than she was behind a duel and got a great trip and got swallowed up by horses who passed her from behind.
The race got an awful fig too.
Other than that it was a "stellar performance".

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Then WIth A City won, and that was enough polytrack for me thanks!!!

Originally Posted by oracle80

I never said I " gave up" betting polytrack and you guys spend a lotta time trying to lie about what I said.

Sure sounds like you said you gave up betting polytrack to me.

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Sure sounds like you said you gave up betting polytrack to me.

Thats like saying a guy who smoked one cigarette "gave up smoking" when he didn't smoke again after that!! LOL!!!!!

For example, here's what I'd do in the Alcibaides ---

Bet $2 (or whatever units your comfortable with in your wagering system) to WIN on the following horses and sit back and watch:

-X Star (10-1 ML)
-Bel Air Beauty (30-1 ML)
-Pro Pink (30-1 ML)
-Get Ready Bertie (20-1 ML)
-Gatorize (12-1 ML)
-Her Majesty (12-1 ML)

......it'll cost $12 (or whatever your units are) and you'll at least get even money and likely better if any of these fillies wins...

Good luck!