7/10 (BEL): Man o' War S. (G1)

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by OldDog

I’m really not saying that Gio Ponti is overrated. Would it be an upset if he gets beat? Yes, and for me personally, I’d like nothing more than to see him back in his 2009 form, and kicking ass – see my first post – and hopefully he will be. However, he lost by a head at Tampa Bay (when he went off at 1-5), and was second again in the Manhattan, a race in which he beat Interpatation, who was checked sharply in that race, but the same Interpatation who upset Gio and a host of others in last year’s Hirsch. Also in the Manhattan was Expansion, who Gio beat by just one length. Also, rain is likely Saturday, and Interpatation and Grand Couturier both like a soft course -- Interpatation's upset last year was in the rain, and GC was third that day.

So, you kinda are saying he's overrated, just in a roundabout way?

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

So, you kinda are saying he's overrated, just in a roundabout way?

Well . . .

I think he may be,

but I hope I'm wrong.

[RockHardTen1985]

4th (2:36)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Allowance | Purse: $52,000


Prg. # PP Horse Jockey Trainer Wt. Claim $ Equip. Med. ML
1 1 Tahitian Warrior Velasquez C bin Suroor Saeed 116 L 3-5
2 2 Rein King Maragh R Terranova, II John P 116 L 15-1
3 3 Kid Tornado Luzzi M J Violette, Jr. R A 120 L 10-1
4 4 Mad for Smarty Castellano J J Jerkens H Allen 119 L 6-1
5 5 Global Force Dominguez R A Albertrani Thomas 116 L 8-1
6 6 Two Brash Lezcano J Kimmel John C 120 L 10-1
7 7 Graysonia Velazquez J R Ice Tim A 119 L 8-1


Kind of excited about this race on the Man O War card....
I dont think Tahitian Warrior is much, I dont like anything that ran behind him in his debut and if he faced Trappe Shot 10 times, I think he would get beat 10 times. Im looking forward to betting against him.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

4th (2:36)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Allowance | Purse: $52,000


Prg. # PP Horse Jockey Trainer Wt. Claim $ Equip. Med. ML
1 1 Tahitian Warrior Velasquez C bin Suroor Saeed 116 L 3-5
2 2 Rein King Maragh R Terranova, II John P 116 L 15-1
3 3 Kid Tornado Luzzi M J Violette, Jr. R A 120 L 10-1
4 4 Mad for Smarty Castellano J J Jerkens H Allen 119 L 6-1
5 5 Global Force Dominguez R A Albertrani Thomas 116 L 8-1
6 6 Two Brash Lezcano J Kimmel John C 120 L 10-1
7 7 Graysonia Velazquez J R Ice Tim A 119 L 8-1


Kind of excited about this race on the Man O War card....
I dont think Tahitian Warrior is much, I dont like anything that ran behind him in his debut and if he faced Trappe Shot 10 times, I think he would get beat 10 times. Im looking forward to betting against him.

Let me guess...Global Force?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Let me guess...Global Force?

Of course, especially at that price...
Rein King, maybe?

[ateamstupid]

I'm not saying he's overrated, but just look at all these horses he's lost to and the ones he'll probably lose to on Saturday.

[hockey2315]

Gio may not be a monster, but he has a legitimate excuse for every one of his narrow defeats. The only way he loses again is if he has more bad luck.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Gio may not be a monster, but he has a legitimate excuse for every one of his narrow defeats. The only way he loses again is if he has more bad luck.

I strongly disagree.

[Danzig]

he obviously got his heart broken in the classic, he'll never be the same again...

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I strongly disagree.

Who's beating him and if you say Grand Couturier I'm leaving again.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Who's beating him and if you say Grand Couturier I'm leaving again.

First off Im not sure he is going to get beat, I think he is the most likely winner and he is not one of these favorites I am rushing to try to beat in this spot. I was arguing the point about the excuses, he is turning into one of these horses who always needs an excuse, like hes making his own trouble at this point.

If I do bet on Saturday I could see a few horses running bang up races and beating him. Strike a Deals comeback was huge, he had every right to bounce a bit last time, now he comes back in this spot where there is only 1 other horse with any type of speed, and that pig just ran for a tag 2 back at Deleware, if JV is smart he sits second and cuts him loose at the top of the stretch, maybe he is good enough? Expansion came around a lot at the end of the last year and was hyped a few times in Stakes races earlier this year, he bombed in them, but his last was strong he showed that big kick. If he runs back to his last and Gio Ponti is not the same horse then Expansion can win.

Back to Gio Ponti and my response to Brian, what was his excuse in the Turf Classic? The distance? I still dont think Interpatation should be running him down late.....

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

First off Im not sure he is going to get beat, I think he is the most likely winner and he is not one of these favorites I am rushing to try to beat in this spot. I was arguing the point about the excuses, he is turning into one of these horses who always needs an excuse, like hes making his own trouble at this point.

If I do bet on Saturday I could see a few horses running bang up races and beating him. Strike a Deals comeback was huge, he had every right to bounce a bit last time, now he comes back in this spot where there is only 1 other horse with any type of speed, and that pig just ran for a tag 2 back at Deleware, if JV is smart he sits second and cuts him loose at the top of the stretch, maybe he is good enough? Expansion came around a lot at the end of the last year and was hyped a few times in Stakes races earlier this year, he bombed in them, but his last was strong he showed that big kick. If he runs back to his last and Gio Ponti is not the same horse then Expansion can win.

Back to Gio Ponti and my response to Brian, what was his excuse in the Turf Classic? The distance? I still dont think Interpatation should be running him down late.....

A lot of if's. Strike A Deal's comeback was okay, but he was lone speed and Goldberg was winning EVERYTHING then. He has come back to earth since then. That said, he could be second, but Gio Ponti at even 90% seems pretty tough.

The Turf Classic was run in an absolute bog. With the course like that, they probably ran 1 3/4's. He had some traffic last time. He seems like a horse that likes to make a sweeping move like he did in his wins last year.

[Fulla Sheets]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

First off Im not sure he is going to get beat, I think he is the most likely winner and he is not one of these favorites I am rushing to try to beat in this spot. I was arguing the point about the excuses, he is turning into one of these horses who always needs an excuse, like hes making his own trouble at this point.

If I do bet on Saturday I could see a few horses running bang up races and beating him. Strike a Deals comeback was huge, he had every right to bounce a bit last time, now he comes back in this spot where there is only 1 other horse with any type of speed, and that pig just ran for a tag 2 back at Deleware, if JV is smart he sits second and cuts him loose at the top of the stretch, maybe he is good enough? Expansion came around a lot at the end of the last year and was hyped a few times in Stakes races earlier this year, he bombed in them, but his last was strong he showed that big kick. If he runs back to his last and Gio Ponti is not the same horse then Expansion can win.

Back to Gio Ponti and my response to Brian, what was his excuse in the Turf Classic? The distance? I still dont think Interpatation should be running him down late.....

Interpatation went 26-54-1:22 in that race, no wonder he still had some run left. But that still is no excuse for Gio Ponti to have lost.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Gio may not be a monster, but he has a legitimate excuse for every one of his narrow defeats. The only way he loses again is if he has more bad luck.

I like Interpation he is primed for a big one

[my miss storm cat]

I haven't looked at pps yet but good luck to Interpatation.

Might not hit the board here but I've always been a fan, through all those losses.

Coolest thing ever was watching him come back and beat Gio... I will never forget that.

Gotta love it.