The degeneration of the sport over the last 15 years

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The thing is, though, and I know you're aware of it, is that DrugS could have just as easily posted the PPs of Cigar, Skip Away, or a slew of others and had the same effect. DWL may be a bit more "controversial" trainer to include but the point is the same, the horsemen nowadays are not the same.

NT

The 90's weren't that long ago Nick and many of those players are still in the game. In my opinion, it has more to do with economics than anything else.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

The 90's weren't that long ago Nick and many of those players are still in the game. In my opinion, it has more to do with economics than anything else.

I think it's more of an epidemic propagated by the 21st Century "super trainers" specifically guys like Todd Pletcher, whose "optimum days between start" index is somewhere between 60 and 3000.

NT

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Lukas did not Tabasco Cat into the ground.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Are you saying he didnt?

You're hopeless.

Tabasco Cat is the one of the great examples of Lukas running one into the ground? Tears, Jerry, tears.



Before sending Tabasco Cat off to stud .. he ran a dirt horse once on the turf because it was a weak Grade 1 turf field. Who cares? That's what dirt horses are supposed to do when they try turf for the first time.

If Tabasco Cat is the best you can do ... give up and ask others to take up your noble cause.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You're hopeless.

Tabasco Cat is the one of the great examples of Lukas running one into the ground? Tears, Jerry, tears.



Before sending Tabasco Cat off to stud .. he ran a dirt horse once on the turf because it was a weak Grade 1 turf field. Who cares? That's what dirt horses are supposed to do when they try turf for the first time.

If Tabasco Cat is the best you can do ... give up and ask others to take up your noble cause.

To be fair, Tabasco Cat was in training beyond the Hollywood Derby all the way through June of 1995. He was pointed for the Strub, Big Cap, and Met Mile all through the press.

Obviously, he made none of those races, eventually suffering a bowed tendon breezing at Churchill.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

he breezed him into the ground?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

he breezed him into the ground?

Well, I think there was probably more to the story than just the tidbits we were fed by the racing press.

The Hollywood Derby halfway across the country, 15 days after the big BC effort is surely a curious spot if you plan on running the colt the following year. Whether he was injured in that race is unknown as far as we're concerned.

Also, a lot of it depends on your definition of "being run into the ground". Do you need a couple of horrific efforts (eg Munnings) to prove the point, or do you just need to run in every available spot and come out of the last one injured?

Would you say Thunder Gulch was run into the ground? You could argue that the Kentucky Cup race following the Travers was a bit extraneous and the colt came out of the Jockey Club Gold Cup with a fractured leg.