Rachel to Monmouth on July 24...

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

No matter how you slice it, it's a curious decision to run in an ungraded stake for marginally more money when the racetrack which really pumped-up your presence and helped make your Woodward win a big part of why you won Horse of the Year, is offering a grade one race.

It's equally curious as to why anyone would think NYRA did not make an attempt to keep here there.

Isnt it crystal clear? MP decided to be proactive and NYRA figured the crystal Ruffian trophy and racing on a card with 3 5.5f turf sprints was enough especially at the 250k G1 min.. While the purse is only significant to people that condition and care for Rachel those people are who Jess is making this decision for. You think Jess gives a flying F about another potential 90k?

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Isnt it crystal clear? MP decided to be proactive and NYRA figured the crystal Ruffian trophy and racing on a card with 3 5.5f turf sprints was enough especially at the 250k G1 min.. While the purse is only significant to people that condition and care for Rachel those people are who Jess is making this decision for. You think Jess gives a flying F about another potential 90k?

So you're saying that Rachel is going to Monmouth because of Jackson's desire to deliver about $11,000 (12% of the additional $90K winners' share) more to Asmussen, Blasi and staff?

[Indian Charlie]

I wonder what Smooth Operator has to say about all this.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

So you're saying that Rachel is going to Monmouth because of Jackson's desire to deliver about $11,000 (12% of the additional $90K winners' share) more to Asmussen, Blasi and staff?

Isn't that 70% more that 250k race would pay? Don't you think MP went to Jess and requested Rachel run at MP and don't you think that they told him we will do what we need to to make you and your horse special. We will change the date distance and purse and maybe we will buy the hats off NYRA? lol

That's the point.. she is a free agent owned by a man who can do as he wishes even if it doest make sense to the stakes nazi "Rollo"..

Your stance that NYRA should request Rachel off grounds is funny..Instead of throwing out the red carpet you suggest they pitch the biggest star(draw) on the east coast.. "It's Blame day here at SPA. come and see this strapping son of Arch" lol

Hey maybe Jess just wanted to give MP his prize to show he supported for forward thinking vs. maiden claiming NY bred turf racing at 5.5f's..

I know I know once the VLT's are in the world will be free from disease..

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Isn't that 70% more that 250k race would pay? Don't you think MP went to Jess and requested Rachel run at MP and don't you think that they told him we will do what we need to to make you and your horse special. We will change the date distance and purse and maybe we will buy the hats off NYRA? lol

That's the point.. she is a free agent owned by a man who can do as he wishes even if it doest make sense to the stakes nazi "Rollo"..

Your stance that NYRA should request Rachel off grounds is funny..Instead of throwing out the red carpet you suggest they pitch the biggest star(draw) on the east coast.. "It's Blame day here at SPA. come and see this strapping son of Arch" lol

Hey maybe Jess just wanted to give MP his prize to show he supported for forward thinking vs. maiden claiming NY bred turf racing at 5.5f's..

I know I know once the VLT's are in the world will be free from disease..

You're right, Jess Jackson can run is horse anywhere he wants, but what don't you get about the fact that NYRA's rolled out the red carpet for Jackson for three years running? As you note, he doesn't need the money, so why should they be expected to bump the purse for her? As for telling Asmussen to leave her at Monmouth, if Rachel's not going to compete at the meet, what good comes from having her stabled at the Oklahoma?

Anyone who's listened to Jackson over the past three years would immediately know that he has a pretty shaky understanding of the sport or its history and its traditions, so I doubt this has anything to do with supporting Monmouth's "million a day" meet.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

You're right, Jess Jackson can run is horse anywhere he wants, but what don't you get about the fact that NYRA's rolled out the red carpet for Jackson for three years running? As you note, he doesn't need the money, so why should they be expected to bump the purse for her? As for telling Asmussen to leave her at Monmouth, if Rachel's not going to compete at the meet, what good comes from having her stabled at the Oklahoma?
Anyone who's listened to Jackson over the past three years would immediately know that he has a pretty shaky understanding of the sport or its history and its traditions, so I doubt this has anything to do with supporting Monmouth's "million a day" meet.

Maybe they play there cards right they could get 1 race from Rachel.. They need her she dont need them. At this point it is all about the ridiculous BC Classic which is really the issue that needs to be addressed.
Horses are prepped not campaigned.. But its here to stay so make the best of it and ultilze stardom when you have it.. How many stars have truly transcended racing...Blame?

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Maybe they play there cards right they could get 1 race from Rachel.. They need her she dont need them. At this point it is all about the ridiculous BC Classic which is really the issue that needs to be addressed.

I think you grossly overstate her "drawing" power. At best, she probably brought about 8,000 extra people to the track when she won the Mother Goose and the Woodward in 2009.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

I think you grossly overstate her "drawing" power. At best, she probably brought about 8,000 extra people to the track when she won the Mother Goose and the Woodward in 2009.

Ok no biggie for NYRA.. 8k more for the Mother Goose is 160% more then typical no biggie huh? Your right lets get Hedge Fund fired up again

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=freddymo;664144]Isnt it crystal clear? MP decided to be proactive and NYRA figured the crystal Ruffian trophy and racing on a card with 3 5.5f turf sprints was enough especially at the 250k G1 min.. While the purse is only significant to people that condition and care for Rachel those people are who Jess is making this decision for. You think Jess gives a flying F about another potential 90k?[/QUOTE]

LOl. You are kidding right?

[freddymo]

[quote=Cannon Shell;664175]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Isnt it crystal clear? MP decided to be proactive and NYRA figured the crystal Ruffian trophy and racing on a card with 3 5.5f turf sprints was enough especially at the 250k G1 min.. While the purse is only significant to people that condition and care for Rachel those people are who Jess is making this decision for. You think Jess gives a flying F about another potential 90k?[/QUOTE]

LOl. You are kidding right?

when 9 cents is significant in your humble life 90k will be significant to Jess.. 90k get the f out of here Chuck the guy is playing up the 18th hole.. What does he have an estate issue? What's 90k to him a trip to Giolden Corral for you a Tuesday?

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=freddymo;664180]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

when 9 cents is significant in your humble life 90k will be significant to Jess.. 90k get the f out of here Chuck the guy is playing up the 18th hole.. What does he have an estate issue? What's 90k to him a trip to Giolden Corral for you a Tuesday?

You see you just arent rich enough to understand really rich people.
1. Money is how they keep score, period.
2. I'm sure there is some plan mapped out in jacksons head that gets her over some moneywon record and she needs to start earning more than what he is winning in these secondary races.
3. The thought that someone like Jackson is concerned with his hired help getting a few thousand dollars is laughable especially when that hired help has made ALOT of money off of his horses already.

[Cannon Shell]

I find it hard to believe that what Monmouth is doing isnt a huge negative in the short and long term. Trading your integrity (which is what they absolutely have done by pandering) just makes it easier for the next flavor of the month to demand the same or more favorable terms. This game is soft enough at the top levels already and moving stakes and changing the distance to fit the schedule of a horse is another step in the wrong direction. I have no problem with them raising the purse of a race to attract horses, that is good business. But the pandering is a joke. It is like Le Bron telling the NBA he will sign with the Knicks if they agree to give them all home games and waive the salary cap for him so he can make more money.

Doing things like this makes it certain that owners will continue to duck and dive and look for handouts as opposed to actually running in races that are considered important. Hooray Racing!

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I find it hard to believe that what Monmouth is doing isnt a huge negative in the short and long term. Trading your integrity (which is what they absolutely have done by pandering) just makes it easier for the next flavor of the month to demand the same or more favorable terms. This game is soft enough at the top levels already and moving stakes and changing the distance to fit the schedule of a horse is another step in the wrong direction. I have no problem with them raising the purse of a race to attract horses, that is good business. But the pandering is a joke. It is like Le Bron telling the NBA he will sign with the Knicks if they agree to give them all home games and waive the salary cap for him so he can make more money.

Doing things like this makes it certain that owners will continue to duck and dive and look for handouts as opposed to actually running in races that are considered important. Hooray Racing!

Welcome to 90's were have you been? tear.. You ever try to sell to walmart or Target? You ever try to establish yourself in a market?

Horse racing and integrity your kidding right.. How many fn cheats are exposed a year? The friggin trainer of the super draw(Rachel) has been busted 394 times for drugs. Horses getting taken down by stewards without explaination. Jockeys attack each other during races. Trainers send horses to slaughter and owners that own 150k a session stallions starve there stock and go to Jail. Please you are worried about making a time and date for people to be entertained and smile.. Good lookin out

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Welcome to 90's were have you been? tear.. You ever try to sell to walmart or Target? You ever try to establish yourself in a market?

Horse racing and integrity your kidding right.. How many fn cheats are exposed a year? The friggin trainer of the super draw(Rachel) has been busted 394 times for drugs. Horses getting taken down by stewards without explaination. Jockeys attack each other during races. Trainers send horses to slaughter and owners that own 150k a session stallions starve there stock and go to Jail. Please you are worried about making a time and date for people to be entertained and smile.. Good lookin out

Those are seperate issues.

The reason that the Triple Crown works is because people desire to win those races. It seems as though that series and the BC to a lesser degree are the only important races left. Virtually every trainer of horses in the TC series would love to see the races spaced a little differently and almost none of them have horses suited to go as far as the races are written. Yet they continue to show up for them. When was the last time a TC race had a 5 horse field? It works because people have no choice but to run under the conditions given. That doesnt mean that every classic race is a classic but you can feel pretty secure knowing that winning one means something.

But this idea that horses dont have to run against top competition to be horse of the year, that the historically signifigant races are passed over for made for one horse events, that handicaps are made a mockery of because of the desire to prop up a popular horses record, that an owner can dictate the date and distance of a race that others are paying to run in as well, is well disturbing. It is one thing if baseball players are taking steroids. it is another if the league is handing them out.

The sport is crumbling and RA running in the Delaware Hdcp or Ruffian isnt going to change that. But the pandering to RA continues down the path that makes important races less important, makes competition between top horses rarer and lines the pockets of those who need it the least. Sounds like a winner.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Those are seperate issues.

The reason that the Triple Crown works is because people desire to win those races. It seems as though that series and the BC to a lesser degree are the only important races left. Virtually every trainer of horses in the TC series would love to see the races spaced a little differently and almost none of them have horses suited to go as far as the races are written. Yet they continue to show up for them. When was the last time a TC race had a 5 horse field? It works because people have no choice but to run under the conditions given. That doesnt mean that every classic race is a classic but you can feel pretty secure knowing that winning one means something.

But this idea that horses dont have to run against top competition to be horse of the year, that the historically signifigant races are passed over for made for one horse events, that handicaps are made a mockery of because of the desire to prop up a popular horses record, that an owner can dictate the date and distance of a race that others are paying to run in as well, is well disturbing. It is one thing if baseball players are taking steroids. it is another if the league is handing them out.

The sport is crumbling and RA running in the Delaware Hdcp or Ruffian isnt going to change that. But the pandering to RA continues down the path that makes important races less important, makes competition between top horses rarer and lines the pockets of those who need it the least. Sounds like a winner.

HoY this is about marketing..its about people coming to the track something which currently only happens at Delmar and SPA. People dont go to the track, horses arent stars and people have gambling options including other options at the track which keep them away from racing..

Yep that Historic Mother Goose last year was a real humdinger.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

HoY this is about marketing..its about people coming to the track something which currently only happens at Delmar and SPA. People dont go to the track, horses arent stars and people have gambling options including other options at the track which keep them away from racing..

Yep that Historic Mother Goose last year was a real humdinger.

No it is about selling out for an extra 5000 people, most of whom wont bet more than token $2 win tickwets on RA at 1-5. That and telling some idiot pol from Hoboken that the horse of the Year (last year) raced there, can we have more money???

In three years no one will even remember the race except some other enterprising owners that will hold the sport for ransom.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I find it hard to believe that what Monmouth is doing isnt a huge negative in the short and long term. Trading your integrity (which is what they absolutely have done by pandering) just makes it easier for the next flavor of the month to demand the same or more favorable terms. This game is soft enough at the top levels already and moving stakes and changing the distance to fit the schedule of a horse is another step in the wrong direction. I have no problem with them raising the purse of a race to attract horses, that is good business. But the pandering is a joke. It is like Le Bron telling the NBA he will sign with the Knicks if they agree to give them all home games and waive the salary cap for him so he can make more money.

Doing things like this makes it certain that owners will continue to duck and dive and look for handouts as opposed to actually running in races that are considered important. Hooray Racing!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Freddy is just cracking me up in this thread.

Even when he's hopelessly wrong about things ... he's still an all-time great poster.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Freddy is just cracking me up in this thread.

Even when he's hopelessly wrong about things ... he's still an all-time great poster.

He just hi-jacked my call with Steve too. He's like a runaway freight train. That is unless there's another Freddy from NJ with the same views? I'll bet no.

NT

[Antitrust32]

What I dont understand is why everyone feels that just cause Rachel is running July 24th at MTH, why does that mean she wont be running at Saratoga??

She'll have plenty of opportunities to run at saratoga towards the latter stages of that meet.

Didnt she run in the Haskell AND the Woodward last year?

Maybe she wins this race and goes for back to back Woodwards?

Why is everyone convinced you wont see her at Toga??