Crist: The great distaffers..

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Actually in 1918 he played quite a bit of outfield in addition to starting games.

Would have been HOF pitcher.

true he appeared 70 times in non pitching games

It was rumored that in 1919 he intentionally pitched poorly on occasion because he wanted to be a full time position player while the Red Sox thought he was more valuable as a pitcher.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by HomerS

I used to laugh when people compared Bonds to Ruth.

Ruth was HOF material as a pitcher and was outhomering teams.

and in the "dead ball" era. If Ruth was playing today he'd be as good as he was back then (or better since parks are smaller)

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

and in the "dead ball" era. If Ruth was playing today he'd be as good as he was back then (or better since parks are smaller)

He didnt really play in the deadball era for the most part. But he pretty much ended it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead-ball_era

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by HomerS

I used to laugh when people compared Bonds to Ruth.

Ruth was HOF material as a pitcher and was outhomering teams.

Babe Ruth is so far the greatest player in his sport that it is laughable. His numbers dwarf his competition.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Babe Ruth is so far the greatest player in his sport that it is laughable. His numbers dwarf his competition.

Have you ever looked at him before? He's fat and doesn't appear to have any black in him.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Have you ever looked at him before? He's fat and doesn't appear to have any black in him.

He looks blacker than our current president

[slotdirt]

The best part about guys like Ruth, Foxx, and in later years, Mantle, is that they went out all night, woke up the next day, and still managed to be some of the best baseball players of their eras.

Nobody beats Bobby Layne in so far as professional carousers go.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Maybe I am missing the obvious here. Is the argument that Zenyetta cant be considered one of the all time great mares strictly because she has run the majority of her races on synthetics? Is that really it? And that overrules all else?

no that really isnt it. it is part of the discussion i think though. im not sure how you can ignore it.

[Smooth Operator]

Cannon ... you must've backed FT for '97 HotY ... right?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Cannon ... you must've backed FT for '97 HotY ... right?

I dont remember caring much

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by HomerS

So do we take that to next "logical" place and discount sprinters and turf horses? Is greatness only granted to routers on real dirt?

Safely Kept was a great horse nowhere on Crists list- she should have been.

She was on the honorable mentions list:

Honorable mention among the more than 100 female champions of this era who are not listed above include, at the very least, these 10: Estrapade, Hollywood Wildcat, It's In The Air, Landaluce, Pebbles, Royal Heroine, Safely Kept, Turkish Trousers, What a Summer and Xtra Heat.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

She was on the honorable mentions list:

Honorable mention among the more than 100 female champions of this era who are not listed above include, at the very least, these 10: Estrapade, Hollywood Wildcat, It's In The Air, Landaluce, Pebbles, Royal Heroine, Safely Kept, Turkish Trousers, What a Summer and Xtra Heat.

Eddie D mentioned Hollywood Wildcat didn't like Churchill downs, otherwise she might have been on that list.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

She was on the honorable mentions list:

Honorable mention among the more than 100 female champions of this era who are not listed above include, at the very least, these 10: Estrapade, Hollywood Wildcat, It's In The Air, Landaluce, Pebbles, Royal Heroine, Safely Kept, Turkish Trousers, What a Summer and Xtra Heat.

By the way would Safetly Kept still have won the BC sprint, had the euro sprinter Dayjur not jumped his tracks with the win just yds away in his grasp? I don't know I thought Meafara was more impressive in her 2 BC Sprint races.

[CSC]

How about Meadow Star? Honorable mention? Hard to think of a more impressive 2 yr old season than hers.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by CSC

How about Meadow Star? Honorable mention? Hard to think of a more impressive 2 yr old season than hers.

I can think of several.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I can think of several.

Let's examine her stakes win as a 2 yr old, those among she beat were Hall of Famers Dance Smartly and Flawlessly. She was pretty prolific as a 2 yr old.

1990 G1 BREEDERS CUP JUVENILE FILLIES
1990 G3 ASTORIA STAKES
1990 G1 SPINAWAY STAKES
1990 G1 MATRON STAKES
1990 G1 FRIZETTE STAKES
1990 G2 SCHUYLERVILLE STAKES

As a 3 yr old, defeated Lite Lite, Versailles Treaty and Do it in Style, before fizzling out to end her career.

Here's one of her more memorable races The Mother Goose duel with Lite Lite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efSTvXN98A0
1991 G2 COMELY STAKES
1991 G1 MOTHER GOOSE STAKES
1991 G1 ACORN STAKES

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by HomerS

So do we take that to next "logical" place and discount sprinters and turf horses? Is greatness only granted to routers on real dirt?

Safely Kept was a great horse nowhere on Crists list- she should have been.

no, why would you do that? did we just start running sprints and turf races less than 5 years ago?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by HomerS

So do we take that to next "logical" place and discount sprinters and turf horses? Is greatness only granted to routers on real dirt?

Safely Kept was a great horse nowhere on Crists list- she should have been.

Female sprinters and female turf horses don't get their due because people don't care as much for for those divisions and because there are fewer Grade 1's out there to pile up the resume with.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Female sprinters and female turf horses don't get their due because people don't care as much for for those divisions and because there are fewer Grade 1's out there to pile up the resume with.

Which is a shame. Grade 1s are not the only determination to greatness.