Times Square Evacuated...Bomb Found

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

actually you were when you posted about the "no NY outcry". That was all about KSM.

Actually no I didn't, and no it wasn't.

As I have already said, yes, KSM was the largest inducer of these feelings.

Many came out vocally, publically and specifically against THIS terrorist being tried in federal court early in this year: both Dick and Liz Cheney, Tom Ridge, John Boehner, etc - mostly on the far right, obviously.

Plenty of discussion about how wrong Holder (and Obama) was wrong to try THIS terrorist in NY fed court in the larger news orgs, the Sunday morning talk shows, etc. Yes, even Faux News.

Plenty are against "any" terrorist being treated as anything other than a war criminal. Ewen people on this discussion board.

Your and Cannon's obvious ignorance of this doesn't make it non-existent. It just exposes your comments as the ad hominem BS they are.

[Danzig]

i think there is a huge difference between enemy combatants and this guy. can you charge one of your own citizens as an enemy combatant? i don't know, but i doubt it. if he were a soldier who 'turned' to the other side, he'd be charged with treason i'd imagine....at any rate, simply a different type case than most terrorist cases, since he's a citizen.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think there is a huge difference between enemy combatants and this guy. can you charge one of your own citizens as an enemy combatant? i don't know, but i doubt it.

The Constitution, treason, applies to American citizens, yes. The assumption (popular in one administration, not another) was/is that some terrorists are "war criminals", while others are not. Then the treatment of war criminals by the US comes into play.

This is another successful prosecution of yet another terrorist (domestic or foreign) within our judicial system.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

This is another successful prosecution of yet another terrorist (domestic or foreign) within our judicial system.

LMAO

Shahzad didn't appear in court until more than two weeks after his arrest. He admitted to federal agents during voluntary questioning that he carried out the attack. Prosecutors have said Mr. Shahzad was advised of and waived his Miranda rights to remain silent, as well as his right to a speedy appearance in court, during that period.

The FBI got a confession and the Prosecutors looked out for the terrorist's rights. Great job!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

The FBI got a confession and the Prosecutors looked out for the terrorist's rights. Great job!

Quite a bit more happened than just the above:

NEW YORK – Admitted terrorist Faisal Shahzad was so eager to tell how he plotted to kill Americans in Times Square, he went to court with a prepared statement.

... Shahzad offered chilling details about how he trained with the Pakistani Taliban to build bombs, then returned to the U.S. to launch an attack that would avenge attacks on Muslims by U.S. forces overseas.

... Shahzad, 30, admitted leaving an SUV rigged with a homemade bomb in bustling Times Squares on a warm night on May 1.

Authorities say following his capture, Shahzad voluntarily started talking about the botched bombing right away — a pattern that continued in open court, where he agreed to plead guilty to 10 terrorism and weapons counts without the benefit of a plea deal and with certainty he'd face life in prison.

"I want to plead guilty, and I'm going to plead guilty 100 times over," he said.

Shahzad traced his plot to a 2009 trip to Pakistan that began only three months after he received his U.S. citizenship.

While staying with his parents, he ventured into the lawless Waziristan region in December with "a couple of friends ... to join the (Pakistani) Taliban." He didn't describe the friends any further.

But an intelligence official in Pakistan told The Associated Press that CIA investigators have been given access to two Pakistani men who helped Shahzad reach Mir Ali town in North Waziristan, as well as to three other suspects being held by Pakistani authorities. The official insisted on anonymity because Pakistan's intelligence agency does not allow its operatives to be identified.

Shahzad said he sought and received five days' training in explosives before returning to the United States in February to pursue a one-man scheme to bring death and destruction to New York with funding from the militant group. The indictment said he received $5,000 in cash on Feb. 25 from an unnamed coconspirator in Pakistan and $7,000 more on April 10, sent at the coconspirator's direction.

He explained that he loaded his vehicle with three bomb components, hoping to set off a fertilizer-fueled bomb packed in a gun cabinet, a set of propane tanks and gas canisters rigged with fireworks to explode into a fireball. He also revealed he was carrying a folding assault rifle in a laptop computer case for "self-defense."

Shahzad said he expected the bomb to begin going off after he lighted a fuse and waited between 2 1/2 and five minutes for it to erupt.

Attorney General Eric Holder said after the plea: "Faisal Shahzad plotted and launched an attack that could have led to serious loss of life, and today the American criminal justice system ensured that he will pay the price for his actions."

Pakistan has arrested at least 11 people since the attempted attack; none have been officially charged. The father of one of the men detained said he has submitted a court petition for information about his son, Salman Ashraf Khan, but received nothing.

"If somebody is dead, the mourning period lasts 40 days," said Rana Ashraf Khan. "But this is the 43rd day my son is missing."

Three men in Massachusetts and Maine suspected of supplying money to Shahzad have been detained on immigration charges; one was recently transferred to New York.

Federal authorities have said they believe money was channeled through an underground money transfer network known as hawala, but they have said they doubt anyone in the U.S. who provided money knew what it was for.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Quite a bit more happened than just the above:

Like I said great job. This obviously was one of Holder & Company's tough ones!

Thankfully now it frees up time to go after the real bad guys like the State of Arizona!

[Cannon Shell]

In a turn of events stunning and angering to those that decried prosecution in federal court (won't work, will endanger NY citizens, too expensive, will take forever, will allow him to lawyer up and get off scott free, Obama is ruining this country, etc):

This is what you wrote. Tell me how this is consistent with the news article that you posted? Being that the guy "confessed 100 times over" it would seem that "wont work", "too expensive", "will take forever", "will allow him to lawyer up and get off scott free" would not seem to be pertinent here. They were of course what was said about the potential trial of KSM in NY which is what was inferred by Randall and myself. I find it hard to believe that the pundits were complaining ths weekend about the length or expense of a trial in which the suspect has already confessed. Of course I dont have the ability or desire to monitor all the Sunday morning political shows so that i can prove random people on the DT politics section wrong.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Quite a bit more happened than just the above:

Yea fantastic job on this one.

(CBS News)

Confessed terrorist Faisal Shahzad was removed from the Department of Homeland Security travel lookout list sometime after Barack Obama came into office.

Sources tell CBS News that would-be Times Square bomber Faisal Shahzad appeared on a Department of Homeland Security travel lookout list – Traveler Enforcement Compliance System (TECS) – between 1999 and 2008 because he brought approximately $80,000 cash or cash instruments into the United States.

The New York Times reported that the person who bought Faisal’s apartment back in 2004 was interviewed by federal investigators.

George LaMonica, a 35-year-old computer consultant, said he bought his two-bedroom condominium in Norwalk, Conn., from Mr. Shahzad for $261,000 in May 2004. A few weeks after he moved in, Mr. LaMonica said, investigators from the national Joint Terrorism Task Force [JTTF] interviewed him, asking for details of the transaction and for information about Mr. Shahzad. It struck Mr. LaMonica as unusual, but he said detectives told him they were simply “checking everything out.”

ABC reported:

Shahzad also had a web of jihadist contacts that included big names tied to terror attacks in the U.S. and abroad, including the figure who has emerged as a central figure in many recent domestic terror attempts – radical American-born Muslim cleric Anwar Awlaki.

Besides Awlaki, sources say Shahzad was also linked to a key figure in the Pakistani Taliban, its Emir Beitullah Mehsud, who was killed in a drone missile strike in 2009. The Mehsuds had been family friends of Shahzad, who is the son of a former high-ranking Pakistani military officer.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Actually no I didn't, and no it wasn't.

As I have already said, yes, KSM was the largest inducer of these feelings.

Many came out vocally, publically and specifically against THIS terrorist being tried in federal court early in this year: both Dick and Liz Cheney, Tom Ridge, John Boehner, etc - mostly on the far right, obviously.

Plenty of discussion about how wrong Holder (and Obama) was wrong to try THIS terrorist in NY fed court in the larger news orgs, the Sunday morning talk shows, etc. Yes, even Faux News.

Plenty are against "any" terrorist being treated as anything other than a war criminal. Ewen people on this discussion board.

Your and Cannon's obvious ignorance of this doesn't make it non-existent. It just exposes your comments as the ad hominem BS they are.

you say many and name 4 republicans. I dont care what Dick and Liz were outraged about. the vast majority of the American public and all of NYC were outraged about KSM, and that is what actually matters, except in your pea brain.

as for your last comment, go fucl< yourself you lousy whore. and chew on a tar ball while your at it. piss the fucl< off. you dont deserve any respect so this is what I'll give you.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

you say many and name 4 republicans. I dont care what Dick and Liz were outraged about. the vast majority of the American public and all of NYC were outraged about KSM, and that is what actually matters, except in your pea brain.

as for your last comment, go fucl< yourself you lousy whore. and chew on a tar ball while your at it. piss the fucl< off. you dont deserve any respect so this is what I'll give you.

Keep it classy.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Keep it classy.

you know what, I come on here and have some good debates with reasonable people like BWS, Rupert, cannon, god, gbbob.. basically everyone. but never you. why? I dont know? Why do you drive everyone nuts on here? Maybe its not a problem with all us "conservative folks", maybe YOU are the problem, since its you that noone can stand.

you post this **** like what I highlighted, and expect me to keep it classy. you dont deserve any class thrown your way.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

you know what, I come on here and have some good debates with reasonable people like BWS, Rupert, cannon, god, gbbob.. basically everyone. but never you. why? I dont know? Why do you drive everyone nuts on here? Maybe its not a problem with all us "conservative folks", maybe YOU are the problem, since its you that noone can stand.

you post this **** like what I highlighted, and expect me to keep it classy. you dont deserve any class thrown your way.

You are what you are. I don't "make" you do or be anything.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

You are what you are. I don't "make" you do or be anything.

you do "make" my bloodpressure rise once and awhile. But you are right, its my fault I let you under my skin. i really shouldnt give a flying fucl< what you say, since you are full of shi.t anyway.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

you do "make" my bloodpressure rise once and awhile. But you are right, its my fault I let you under my skin. i really shouldnt give a flying fucl< what you say, since you are full of shi.t anyway.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

you do "make" my bloodpressure rise once and awhile. But you are right, its my fault I let you under my skin. i really shouldnt give a flying fucl< what you say, since you are full of shi.t anyway.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Actually no I didn't, and no it wasn't.

As I have already said, yes, KSM was the largest inducer of these feelings.

Many came out vocally, publically and specifically against THIS terrorist being tried in federal court early in this year: both Dick and Liz Cheney, Tom Ridge, John Boehner, etc - mostly on the far right, obviously.


Your and Cannon's obvious ignorance of this doesn't make it non-existent. It just exposes your comments as the ad hominem BS they are.

Can you please post video and or quotes of the Cheneys etc speaking on Faisal Shahzad specifically. As I recall Dick C. said this was a different case than KSM as the defendent here was an American citizen entitled to rights in a Fed court.