Zenyatta assigned 129 pounds for Vanity

[smartbid09]

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. But these comments about Zenyatta are so weird to me. I am looking very forward to seeing Zenyatta run. She is attempting to make racing history sunday. Only one other horse in america will ever have won more races than Zenyatta while undefeated. That's Huge.

Zenyatta is not responsible for what races she runs in. She's a horse. On Sunday she will attempt to make history and there are people here saying they're not going to watch it. They're entitled to do what they want. But in my opinion it's really dumb to miss out on a historic race because you dislike her campaign. History is history - and one way or another Sunday's race will be a race people will talk about for years to come.

Don't miss history because you hate a horse's campaign.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by smartbid09

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. But these comments about Zenyatta are so weird to me. I am looking very forward to seeing Zenyatta run. She is attempting to make racing history sunday. Only one other horse in america will ever have won more races than Zenyatta while undefeated. That's Huge.

Zenyatta is not responsible for what races she runs in. She's a horse. On Sunday she will attempt to make history and there are people here saying they're not going to watch it. They're entitled to do what they want. But in my opinion it's really dumb to miss out on a historic race because you dislike her campaign. History is history - and one way or another Sunday's race will be a race people will talk about for years to come.

Don't miss history because you hate a horse's campaign.

You must have been pretty excited about Pepper's Pride as well.

[smartbid09]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You must have been pretty excited about Pepper's Pride as well.

Not at all blackthroated...
Good way to avoid the point that this is going to be a race worth watching

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by smartbid09

Not at all blackthroated...
Good way to avoid the point that this is going to be a race worth watching

In my opinion every race is worth watching.

I didn't avoid any point....I just don't buy the manufactured hype. Good horses deserved to be campaigned as such. If connections don't believe in their horse why should I?

[Travis Stone]

Something must be up. Either they're not pleased with how she's trained, or the ship to Oaklawn knocked her out more than they expected. Throat said it best, this is not the campaign I was expecting.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Something must be up. Either they're not pleased with how she's trained, or the ship to Oaklawn knocked her out more than they expected. Throat said it best, this is not the campaign I was expecting.

Really? You weren't expecting this?

I don't see how that's possible.

Why would they change their actions after all this time? Because they said they would?

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Really? You weren't expecting this?

I don't see how that's possible.

Why would they change their actions after all this time? Because they said they would?

I really thought it was possible, and I don't think I'm alone in this. Others must have felt the same because the response to their staying at Del Mar this summer would have been far less if it were expected to begin with.

Honestly, I thought her first start would be in California followed by the Apple Blossom. From there, I really felt they would do something different. I expected them to run in the Hollywood Gold Cup. I thought they would find the middle ground between shipping East like they should, and staying home to race against the same fillies/mares by running there. But they did not.

When this year began, I was ready to give Zenyatta a fair shot provided they shipped around and had fun. But they aren't, and that stinks, and as a racing fan, I feel cheated.

[smartbid09]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

In my opinion every race is worth watching.

I didn't avoid any point....I just don't buy the manufactured hype. Good horses deserved to be campaigned as such. If connections don't believe in their horse why should I?

Zenyatta's connections don't believe in her?

Zenyatta ran in the breeders cup classic when she could easily have ran in the ladies classic last year. That's believing in your horse blackthroated.

Her connections don't believe in her. Give me a break.

And saying I like Peppers pride when I post a statement about how the Vanity will be a historic race is completely avoiding anything that I have to say IMO.

I get it though if I say the vanity's going to be a historic race it means peppers pride was awesome to me. Well Blackthroated... if I thought peppers pride was amazing I wouldn't think that Sunday was something special would I? I would think Zenyatta had no record to break wouldn't I.

You don't have to like Zenyatta though and I get it you don't To each his own I guess. My opinion is different though and I guess you want to belittle me for it. My point was think about the history this horse is making and stop hating on her while there is still time to enjoy her. She's making history and if you don't want to admit it than go ahead and say I like peppers pride.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by smartbid09

Zenyatta's connections don't believe in her?

Zenyatta ran in the breeders cup classic when she could easily have ran in the ladies classic last year. That's believing in your horse blackthroated.

No, the BC Classic was their believing for almost the entire year that their claim that her being undefeated would be good enough to back into a win for HOY, then realizing their backs were up against the wall after Rachel did what she did and going to the Classic.

And after the reaction when they lost the award, it was pretty clear that they had a big sense of entitlement to that award. The way they're campaigning her this year just confirms that they didn't run her in the Classic to prove her greatness, it was to try to win an award they thought they would waltz into.

She's a special and very good animal for sure, but we're never going to know where she stands among the greats, because her connections are not willing to show us. She's a horse, that's not her fault, but in the end she also gets her legacy as nothing more than what she does as a horse, and her connections don't seem too eager to build that up. Good for them for doing what they want, but I don't want to see any more sour grapes and classless reactions like earlier this year when she loses another HOY vote after another campaign like this.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

No, the BC Classic was their believing for almost the entire year that their claim that her being undefeated would be good enough to back into a win for HOY, then realizing their backs were up against the wall after Rachel did what she did and going to the Classic.

And after the reaction when they lost the award, it was pretty clear that they had a big sense of entitlement to that award. The way they're campaigning her this year just confirms that they didn't run her in the Classic to prove her greatness, it was to try to win an award they thought they would waltz into.

She's a special and very good animal for sure, but we're never going to know where she stands among the greats, because her connections are not willing to show us. She's a horse, that's not her fault, but in the end she also gets her legacy as nothing more than what she does as a horse, and her connections don't seem too eager to build that up. Good for them for doing what they want, but I don't want to see any more sour grapes and classless reactions like earlier this year when she loses another HOY vote after another campaign like this.

Not only all of that, but don't forget that LIS had a greater chance of beating Zenyatta in the race formerly known as the Distaff than GP did in the Classic.

I can't remember, who trained that winner in the distaff again?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by smartbid09

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. But these comments about Zenyatta are so weird to me. I am looking very forward to seeing Zenyatta run. She is attempting to make racing history sunday. Only one other horse in america will ever have won more races than Zenyatta while undefeated. That's Huge.

Zenyatta is not responsible for what races she runs in. She's a horse. On Sunday she will attempt to make history and there are people here saying they're not going to watch it. They're entitled to do what they want. But in my opinion it's really dumb to miss out on a historic race because you dislike her campaign. History is history - and one way or another Sunday's race will be a race people will talk about for years to come.

Don't miss history because you hate a horse's campaign.

There is a wide chasm between truly great achievement and notable achievement. In my eyes and the eyes of others who have at least some sense of the history of the sport this streak that she has been on is a really nice accomplishment. However simply beating up on the same group of mediocre fillies in the same fairly non-descript stakes over a synthetic surface just isn't in the same league as true greatness. This and her previous campaigns were seemingly contrived with only keeping this inane streak alive by rarely venturing out of the comfort zone of the California filly division.

The fact that she is carrying a little bit of weight gives the race a little bit of intrigue but the opponents that she is beating are non-descript to be kind. What further turns me off is the idea that she will continue to race in the same rut of races in her next start. Despite the older male division being terrible save a few horses the past few years, she has avoided running against those horses with one notable exception. They run a race called the Pacific Classic at Del Mar. If they insist on staying in CA then why not take a shot in there? Instead they want to make "history" and try to become the first three time winner of the Clement Hirsh. Oh boy now that is something that we all will look back on fondly.

If there is one thing that turns off people in regards to athletics, it is when talent is seemingly wasted. By continuing to take the low road Zenyatta's connections are wasting a chance to do something really special. And if she runs 3rd or worse in the Breeders Cup then everybody will look back and say was she really all that? And that is the sad part. One bad race can tarnish her reputation because despite all the wins and accomplishments, she has only one time stepped out of the box and that race that she won looks worse and worse with each passing flop of those who ran behind her that day.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There is a wide chasm between truly great achievement and notable achievement. In my eyes and the eyes of others who have at least some sense of the history of the sport this streak that she has been on is a really nice accomplishment. However simply beating up on the same group of mediocre fillies in the same fairly non-descript stakes over a synthetic surface just isn't in the same league as true greatness. This and her previous campaigns were seemingly contrived with only keeping this inane streak alive by rarely venturing out of the comfort zone of the California filly division.

The fact that she is carrying a little bit of weight gives the race a little bit of intrigue but the opponents that she is beating are non-descript to be kind. What further turns me off is the idea that she will continue to race in the same rut of races in her next start. Despite the older male division being terrible save a few horses the past few years, she has avoided running against those horses with one notable exception. They run a race called the Pacific Classic at Del Mar. If they insist on staying in CA then why not take a shot in there? Instead they want to make "history" and try to become the first three time winner of the Clement Hirsh. Oh boy now that is something that we all will look back on fondly.

If there is one thing that turns off people in regards to athletics, it is when talent is seemingly wasted. By continuing to take the low road Zenyatta's connections are wasting a chance to do something really special. And if she runs 3rd or worse in the Breeders Cup then everybody will look back and say was she really all that? And that is the sad part. One bad race can tarnish her reputation because despite all the wins and accomplishments, she has only one time stepped out of the box and that race that she won looks worse and worse with each passing flop of those who ran behind her that day.

It reminds me of the year Dave Winfield became a singles hitter to try to win the batting title....or Wilt the assist leader. Only in her case they have already done that and are going for it again. At least in their cases people understood it was the end of their careers.

[parsixfarms]

Is Sheriffs so afraid of St. Trinians that he's running Zardana as a "rabbit" for Zenyatta in this race?

[slotdirt]

I don't think enough's being made of Zardana being added to this race. Since when did Zenyatta need a rabbit?

[jimmy the T]

Wilt,dave Winfield,zenyatta ? C'mon What About Pete Rose, Johnny Bench, Mickey Mantle Or Carl Yastrzemski?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I don't think enough's being made of Zardana being added to this race. Since when did Zenyatta need a rabbit?

Rabbit? What's a rabbit? SHE WORKED TOO FAST TO SHIP, FOOL.