Muslims have gone too far

[Antitrust32]

Please, let us know how Radical Muslims are not terrorists in "your world" (a place I am very happy to not be a part of)

She has to listen to the Spin Doctors Greatest Hits and get back to us on that.

Just remember that the KKK is an equal threat to radical Islam in this day and age. No I'm not being sarcastic! There are 6000 KKK members in the world! And they've gone global.

Yeah...I'm being sarcastic. Maybe those of you who believed the comparison was warranted should do the rest of us a favor and kill yourself.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

She has to listen to the Spin Doctors Greatest Hits and get back to us on that.

Just remember that the KKK is an equal threat to radical Islam in this day and age. No I'm not being sarcastic! There are 6000 KKK members in the world! And they've gone global.

Yeah...I'm being sarcastic. Maybe those of you who believed the comparison was warranted should do the rest of us a favor and kill yourself.

I do believe its a good comparison. Not at all on the same scale of course, and willingness to kill yourself is not seen in KKK members.. but the hate that both groups have is a good comparison. I just wish there were only 6,000 radical Muslims instead of 100 million.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

She has to listen to the Spin Doctors Greatest Hits and get back to us on that.

Just remember that the KKK is an equal threat to radical Islam in this day and age. No I'm not being sarcastic! There are 6000 KKK members in the world! And they've gone global.

Yeah...I'm being sarcastic. Maybe those of you who believed the comparison was warranted should do the rest of us a favor and kill yourself.

That would be an excellent point if anyone had actually tried to make that claim. "Over the years," does not equal "in this day and age."

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

That would be an excellent point if anyone had actually tried to make that claim. "Over the years," does not equal "in this day and age."

You would have to go back to the 1920's to compare and even then you would look like an imbecile. There is no comparison to radical Islam and the KKK.

The KKK was national with a dash of Canadia. Radical Islam is worldwide and killing far more people than the KKK ever did.

It's like comparing the Chicago Bulls during Jordan's era to the Washington Generals.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

You would have to go back to the 1920's to compare and even then you would look like an imbecile. There is no comparison to radical Islam and the KKK.

The KKK was national with a dash of Canadia. Radical Islam is worldwide and killing far more people than the KKK ever did.

It's like comparing the Chicago Bulls during Jordan's era to the Washington Generals.

Even then, you're still arguing against a straw man that you've created to argue against, not a point that anyone actually made as far as I can tell.

Riot or Antitrust never said anything about the scope being the same. Killing because someone believes that a deity or holy book implores them to is the point, which is a perfectly valid point. If someone starts claiming that the scope is the same, then you're all set and should be able to just copy/paste the things you're posting right now, as they'll come in handy when someone actually starts having that discussion.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Even then, you're still arguing against a straw man that you've created to argue against, not a point that anyone actually made as far as I can tell.

Riot or Antitrust never said anything about the scope being the same. Killing because someone believes that a deity or holy book implores them to is the point, which is a perfectly valid point. If someone starts claiming that the scope is the same, then you're all set and should be able to just copy/paste the things you're posting right now, as they'll come in handy when someone actually starts having that discussion.

Radical Muslims = KKK = Crusades = Nazi's = Stalin = Catholic Priests who molest kids = all shi.tbags.

different scales, same hate.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Even then, you're still arguing against a straw man that you've created to argue against, not a point that anyone actually made as far as I can tell.

Riot or Antitrust never said anything about the scope being the same. Killing because someone believes that a deity or holy book implores them to is the point, which is a perfectly valid point. If someone starts claiming that the scope is the same, then you're all set and should be able to just copy/paste the things you're posting right now, as they'll come in handy when someone actually starts having that discussion.

It was a comparison of a mostly regional hate group to a worldwide movement of radical Islam.

It was a blatant attempt at downplaying what's going on RIGHT NOW in the world we live in.

When the KKK gets influence and in some aspects complete control of governments like radical Islam has then get back to me with the B.S. comparison/downplay.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

It was a comparison of a mostly regional hate group to a worldwide movement of radical Islam.

I'm not sure everyone is reading it that way, since it was a comparison of people who kill because they claim that their religion tells them to...the scope is irrelevant to such a comparison -- in fact, of the four people talking about this right now, you're the only one who read it that way. I know it's Riot, so a question of giving her the benefit of the doubt is entirely out of the question by default, but it seems like a bit of a stretch to take the words she wrote and extend them into the argument you claim those words were making.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Just remember that the KKK is an equal threat to radical Islam in this day and age. No I'm not being sarcastic! There are 6000 KKK members in the world! And they've gone global.

didn't the Depends wearing, esteemed Senator from WV. who used to be Grand Poohbah KKK, die? That would leave 5999. They still couldn't win a fight on Springer.

[Riot]

[quote=Rupert Pupkin;651117]So you agree with Miraja2 that Bush was a "murderous thug"?

I understand the point Miraja2 was attempting to make with the part of the paragraph that referred to Bush.

"Yeah, sometimes people who give orders that directly result in the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians somehow manage to retain high approval ratings in their home areas."

I noticed that you haven't admitted that your belief that Bin Laden was not popular in the Muslim world was totally wrong

LOL - probably as I don't think the fact that bin Laden isn't popular in the least throughout the majority of the Muslim world is wrong at all. I think that thought has been repeatedly demonstrated by the Muslim communities of multiple countries over the past many years. The Muslim world doesn't consist of one homegeneous religious sect, located in 2003 Indonesia. Or Pakistan. Or Jordan. It's not even "one sect" within those three countries. Let alone the multiple other countries that have major Muslim populations of varying beliefs. Seems some don't know that there are at least 50 differing religious sects that fall under "Islam". I keep reading that "Muslims" are terroristic, American-hating, murderous, child f'ng thugs that all think alike. Millions of people, all the same. I say that thought is a load of false, bigoted crap.

And yeah - I think terrorists who kill - domestic or foreign - are scum that should be dead.

[Rupert Pupkin]

[quote=Riot;651135]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

So you agree with Miraja2 that Bush was a "murderous thug"?

I understand the point Miraja2 was attempting to make with the part of the paragraph that referred to Bush.

"Yeah, sometimes people who give orders that directly result in the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians somehow manage to retain high approval ratings in their home areas."



LOL - probably as I don't think the fact that bin Laden isn't popular in the least throughout the majority of the Muslim world is wrong at all. I think that thought has been repeatedly demonstrated by the Muslim communities of multiple countries over the past many years. The Muslim world doesn't consist of one homegeneous religious sect, located in 2003 Indonesia. Or Pakistan. Or Jordan. It's not even "one sect" within those three countries. Let alone the multiple other countries that have major Muslim populations of varying beliefs. Seems some don't know that there are at least 50 differing religious sects that fall under "Islam". I keep reading that "Muslims" are terroristic, American-hating, murderous, child f'ng thugs that all think alike. Millions of people, all the same. I say that thought is a load of false, bigoted crap.

And yeah - I think terrorists who kill - domestic or foreign - are scum that should be dead.

The bottom line is that Bin Laden was popular in most Muslim countries around 2003. Over 50% of Muslims supported Bin Laden in many Muslim countries. Do you know of many (or any) Muslim countries where he wasn't popular?

[Riot]

[quote=Rupert Pupkin;651140]

Originally Posted by Riot

The bottom line is that Bin Laden was popular in most Muslim countries around 2003.

The bottom line is some lump all "Muslims" together as a religious cult of terrorists to hate and fear, and some don't.

[Rupert Pupkin]

[quote=Riot;651142]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The bottom line is some lump all "Muslims" together as a religious cult of terrorists to hate and fear, and some don't.

I don't think anyone said anything about "all Muslims" being bad or anything like that. Plenty of Muslims are very good people.

But to try to act like it's only a tiny percentage of Muslims that admired Bin Laden would be false.

And I don't think you could possibly support the way women are treated in many Muslim countries.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Please, let us know how Radical Muslims are not terrorists in "your world" (a place I am very happy to not be a part of)

Let us know how all Muslims are terrorists in your world. A place many of us are happy not to be a part of.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Let us know how all Muslims are terrorists in your world. A place many of us are happy not to be a part of.

are you this fucl<ing ridiculous. please read my prior post again so you can stop fucl<ing talking for me.



I've never said all muslims are terrorists, so dont put words in my mouth bitc.h.

No I dont believe all muslims are radical. You seem to feel like there are only a "few". If "few" means millions, than I may agree. The estimates are that there are approx 1 billion Muslims in the world. The VAST majority are good Muslims (eventhough they still treat women like dog crap).

" Gallup conducted tens of thousands of hour-long, face-to-face interviews with residents of more than thirty-five predominantly Muslim countries between 2001 and 2007. It found that – contrary to the prevailing perception in the west that the actions of al-Qaida enjoy wide support in the Muslim world – more than 90% of respondents condemned the killing of non-combatants on religious and humanitarian grounds [156] "


Looking at these generalized numbers, it would be safe to say that 10% of the Muslim population is radical. Thats 100,000 million people, or 1/3 of the population of the United States, that think terrorists attacks are good things.

Thats a scary high amount of people. So yes, the majority of Muslims are not like that. But a ton of people are.

I have absolutely no respect for that religion, even if they had 0% terrorists, because women are treated with less respect than dogs. This world would be a much better place if mythical Muhommed had never been written about.


Does 10% equal ALL to you? can you read?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Looking at these generalized numbers, it would be safe to say that 10% of the Muslim population is radical.

"Safe to say" ?? Yeah, sure. One good broad generalization begets another, especially when it concerns a religion one has "absolutely no respect for."

" are you this fucl<ing ridiculous." ??

I'm not drinking the anti-Muslim hate kool-aid. But you guys keep pouring for each other.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

"Safe to say" ?? Yeah, sure. One good broad generalization begets another, especially when it concerns a religion one has "absolutely no respect for."

" are you this fucl<ing ridiculous." ??

I'm not drinking the anti-Muslim hate kool-aid. But you guys keep pouring for each other.

" Gallup conducted tens of thousands of hour-long, face-to-face interviews with residents of more than thirty-five predominantly Muslim countries between 2001 and 2007. It found that – contrary to the prevailing perception in the west that the actions of al-Qaida enjoy wide support in the Muslim world – more than 90% of respondents condemned the killing of non-combatants on religious and humanitarian grounds [156] "


No I have no respect for anyone who treats women like ****.. you apparantly think its all good. I have no respect for the Old Testiment that allows you to have slaves and treat women like property. I have absolutely no respect for the Qu'ran whose profit was a PEDOPHILE.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Let us know how all Muslims are terrorists in your world. A place many of us are happy not to be a part of.

and you still didnt answer my question about why you feel Radicals are not terrorists.

About your video, I didnt watch it. Cant watch video's on the computer I am using.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

and you still didnt answer my question about why you feel Radicals are not terrorists.

About your video, I didnt watch it. Cant watch video's on the computer I am using.

Radicals can beget terrorists, but simply being radical doesn't make one a terrorist. That's apparent from our own home-grown radicals. The hate talk and inciting rhetoric calling for action might even include death threats, but it doesn't force one to take the final step of becoming a terrorist.

I'm sure that video has made it into the news today, with descriptions.