Standing ovation

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i just wish the people in charge of planning the republican fall campaign shared your arrogance. they just placed their entire focus on a single house seat in a district that voted for mccain in 2008. and lost it.

if there was a tsunami coming, wouldn't we have found out about it last tuesday?

the wet dream scenario you have for november doesn't appear to have any basis in reality. republicans will pick up seats. that's true. they've had 2 disastrous election cycles so there are more democratic incumbents. and incumbents will pay the price for a bad economy.

healthcare votes will cost 2-3 freshmen dems their seats. and as much as immigration energizes the republican base, it does the same for hispanics.

how big republican gains will be has a lot more to do with what happens between now and november than what happened in 2009.

Guess what? The momentum is not anti-incumbent. It's anti-liberal, anti-taxes, anti-debt. The Dems are going to get pounded. Not 2-3 freshman seats. Big losses. You can bet on it.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Guess what? The momentum is not anti-incumbent. It's anti-liberal, anti-taxes, anti-debt. The Dems are going to get pounded. Not 2-3 freshman seats. Big losses. You can bet on it.

i wasn't suggesting a 2-3 seat loss overall. that would be a liberal wet dream on par with your conservative wet dream. i was talking about 2-3 freshman seats in competitive districts where dems got elected on obama's coattail that'll probably go republican as a result of a vote cast in favor of healthcare. my point was that healthcare will be a non-issue outside of that small impact.

and so far as your take on the country's mood, what can i say? from your mouth to the republican congressional campaign committee's ear. i couldn't possibly hope for anything more.

they, unfortunately, probably noticed the pennsylvania special election tuesday where a dem was again elected in john murtha's anti-abortion, pro-gun district. the one that voted for john mccain in 2008.

if you live in a vacuum only getting news from sources that reinforce your opinion, you'll believe all the echoes must be reality. i won't try to convince you otherwise.

the election will be whatever it is. but your certainty over a result that's still almost 6 months off as well as the detailed reasons for that "red tsunami" is the kind of arrogance that costs seats.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

they, unfortunately, probably noticed the pennsylvania special election tuesday where a dem was again elected in john murtha's anti-abortion, pro-gun district. the one that voted for john mccain in 2008.

yes a Dem who campaigned as an antiabortion, progun, anti healthcare bill, anti tax and trade Dem. Those kind of dems arent so bad if they actually govern as they campaigned. Of couse we all know how that goes...

At least the people of PA were smart enough to put Arlen out of our misery. Maybe Andy Reid will give him a job fetching donuts?

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

yes a Dem who campaigned as an antiabortion, progun, anti healthcare bill, anti tax and trade Dem. Those kind of dems arent so bad if they actually govern as they campaigned. Of couse we all know how that goes...

At least the people of PA were smart enough to put Arlen out of our misery. Maybe Andy Reid will give him a job fetching donuts?

and sestak's a stronger candidate in november. i'm not predicting a slam dunk win because i don't own the same crystal ball joey has but i thought the senate primary was another positive for the dems in a swing state.

and there are plenty of anti-abortion, pro-gun dems, chuck. even anti-healthcare bill ones.

you're the party of strict ideological discipline. no one runs around yelling "dino" other than scuds.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

and sestak's a stronger candidate in november. i'm not predicting a slam dunk win because i don't own the same crystal ball joey has but i thought the senate primary was another positive for the dems in a swing state.

and there are plenty of anti-abortion, pro-gun dems, chuck. even anti-healthcare bill ones.

you're the party of strict ideological discipline. no one runs around yelling "dino" other than scuds.

LOL

Yours is the party of intellectual dishonesty and defeatism

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

LOL

Yours is the party of intellectual dishonesty and defeatism

Defeatism? Debatable.

The other part, however, was good for a huge lol here. Thanks, Chuck, I needed it on a busy day. The word Republican is essentially a synonym for intellectual dishonesty any way you cut it...you guys basically invented the term through habitual practice of it.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Defeatism? Debatable.

The other part, however, was good for a huge lol here. Thanks, Chuck, I needed it on a busy day. The word Republican is essentially a synonym for intellectual dishonesty any way you cut it...you guys basically invented the term through habitual practice of it.

The Dems are just as bad. if you think otherwise remove the blinders.

Politican = intellectual dishonesty. doesnt matter the party.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Defeatism? Debatable.

The other part, however, was good for a huge lol here. Thanks, Chuck, I needed it on a busy day. The word Republican is essentially a synonym for intellectual dishonesty any way you cut it...you guys basically invented the term through habitual practice of it.

Chicago republicans are not republicans

at any rate can you give me a specific example of a conservative being dishonest. Being accused of a crime is not equal to being guilty of one.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

LOL

Yours is the party of intellectual dishonesty and defeatism

it's kind of hard to be intellectually dishonest when we argue amongst ourselves almost as much as we argue with republicans.

if you're uncomfortable with a broad spectrum of opinion's that differ from your own, the current incarnation of the republican party's for you. the abandonment of the center is almost complete.

it's a little harder being a democrat as you have to deal with the discomfort of being an actual center-left party with all the messy arguments that entails.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

it's kind of hard to be intellectually dishonest when we argue amongst ourselves almost as much as we argue with republicans.

if you're uncomfortable with a broad spectrum of opinion's that differ from your own, the current incarnation of the republican party's for you. the abandonment of the center is almost complete.

it's a little harder being a democrat as you have to deal with the discomfort of being an actual center-left party with all the messy arguments that entails.

I thought is was hard to be a democrat because they are wrong about most things?

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i wasn't suggesting a 2-3 seat loss overall. that would be a liberal wet dream on par with your conservative wet dream. i was talking about 2-3 freshman seats in competitive districts where dems got elected on obama's coattail that'll probably go republican as a result of a vote cast in favor of healthcare. my point was that healthcare will be a non-issue outside of that small impact.

and so far as your take on the country's mood, what can i say? from your mouth to the republican congressional campaign committee's ear. i couldn't possibly hope for anything more.

they, unfortunately, probably noticed the pennsylvania special election tuesday where a dem was again elected in john murtha's anti-abortion, pro-gun district. the one that voted for john mccain in 2008.

if you live in a vacuum only getting news from sources that reinforce your opinion, you'll believe all the echoes must be reality. i won't try to convince you otherwise.

the election will be whatever it is. but your certainty over a result that's still almost 6 months off as well as the detailed reasons for that "red tsunami" is the kind of arrogance that costs seats.

OK, I should say it's my prediction that the red tsunami is coming. You're correct in that nothing can be that certain 6 months in advance, or wherever hundreds of millions of individuals are involved.