Zenyatta v. Rail Trip??

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Why would 2010 HOY Rachel Alexandra want to go run on a different surface than the BC in a meaningless race at a meaningless track.

Oh I don't know … maybe cuz she's lost a TON of street cred … and beating an UNDEFEATED DUAL BC CHAMPION at her home track would go a LONG way in restoring her tarnished reputation.

I am sure the connections will run her at a real track like Belmont or Saratoga.

And she'll probably get beat there too...

[the_fat_man]

We're facing the very real possibility here that Z will go undefeated. There's really nothing that can beat her on synthetics (on the west coast) in a fairly run race, and, unless the male older dirt division finds a new star, that can go 10F, she'll dust anything out there presently in the BC. I mean, Rail Trip could hook her in a very small field and control the pace and somehow beat her. It's possible, what with his new jock and all. It's doubtful, however, that even if Pletcher were to go over the border and get some of that even more special Jordan elixir for QR, that he'd get 10F out of him on a non speed favoring track.
And, I don't see how RA makes it back in the picture at the moment.

It's slowly and steadily becoming a reality for her detractors that she just might prove them all wrong. Imagine that so many who have otherwise very strong opinions could be so wrong about this horse. Imagine 20 years from now DrugS Jr. is on some forum comparing horses historically using Beyers: what does he do with her?

Or Mike the EUNUCH going to his grave muttering: "she never ran FAST, so she was never any good. RA was better."

All of this is deliciously wicked.

[CSC]

All she has to do is face a horse this year that beyers 119 in a race so that she can beyer 120 to make Drugs happy, maybe he will even admit he was wrong. We are still waiting on his explanation of what went wrong with Rachel here on DT. That should be illuminating...

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by CSC

All she has to do is face a horse this year that beyers 119 in a race so that she can beyer 120 to make Drugs happy, maybe he will even admit he was wrong. We are still waiting on his explanation of what went wrong with Rachel here on DT. That should be illuminating...

Something went wrong with RA? She's still running > 100 Beyers, isn't she? Which means she still FASTER than Z (and thus better).

I don't know what you're talking about, Willis.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Something went wrong with RA? She's still running > 100 Beyers, isn't she? Which means she still FASTER than Z (and thus better).

I don't know what you're talking about, Willis.

you forgot the one about where she can't beat rail trip. i heard shes ducking him because hes so good . someone on here is talking about facts. how about the fact that the whole idea of this thread is "factless". rail trip is scaring them away now....wait a minute , who did not show up in arkansas last month?

[miraja2]

I am pretty far from being a big Zenyatta fan, but comparing her to that stupid, worthless, piece-of-crap, New Mexico horse - even in jest - is just going way too far.
Zenyatta's connections did make two different attempts to run their horse against the best out there: the BCC and the Apple Blossom. In one instance she ran against the worst BCC field ever on her preferred surface, and in the other one nobody ended up showing up to run against her. Those are hardly the connections' fault.

I actually still like Zenyatta....despite her ardent fans' inadvertent attempts to force me to root for her to lose (just so they will shut the hell up).

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I actually still like RA....despite her ardent fans' inadvertent attempts to force me to root for her to win (just so they will shut the hell up).

Fixed that for you.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Zenyatta's connections did make two different attempts to run their horse against the best out there: the BCC and the Apple Blossom. In one instance she ran against the worst BCC field ever on her preferred surface, and in the other one nobody ended up showing up to run against her. Those are hardly the connections' fault.

Actually. They waffled on the BCC until they knew for sure it was going to be a very weak spot.

They also knew that RA was behind in her training and that there was a realistic chance she couldn't make it to the Apple Blossom

They've been very shrewd.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

you forgot the one about where she can't beat rail trip. i heard shes ducking him because hes so good . someone on here is talking about facts. how about the fact that the whole idea of this thread is "factless". rail trip is scaring them away now....wait a minute , who did not show up in arkansas last month?

rail trip??

thing is, much as zenyatta has done, you have to admit she hasn't done it vs much, and that better races could have been found to showcase her amazing talents. if you want all the marbles, you have to go after them-they haven't. most of her races have been vs suspect competition. yes, she raced what showed up, but she only went out of her usual restricted competition once. why not again? i'm hoping once they break the winning streak, and one assumes she will (i posted once, some time back that maybe she'd stay around long enough to do so), that they try something different again.

[cmorioles]

Back to the topic, are people really excited about Rail Trip? The same Rail Trip that won against stiffs while tracking a pace similar to those set in two earlier maiden claiming races on the card?

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Imagine 20 years from now DrugS Jr. is on some forum comparing horses historically using Beyers: what does he do with her?

Lol … too funny



Must be boatloads of RA lovers out there who want to see Z slip up SOOOOOOOOO bad


I'm enjoying this TO THE FULL.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Oh I don't know … maybe cuz she's lost a TON of street cred … and beating an UNDEFEATED DUAL BC CHAMPION at her home track would go a LONG way in restoring her tarnished reputation.




And she'll probably get beat there too...

Like others have stated, most owners have zero interested in running on a joke of a surface at HP. Zenyatta has proven she loves synthetic 14 times.....yay. She is a great synthetic horse. Running a 15th time in The Vanity is borderline ridiculous and weak. If she was to retire now she will go down in history as a horse who was very good on a surface a majority of the good horses don't take to. How many turf horses does the world really remember? Not many. That's where her legacy is heading.

As far as RA vs Rachel? Obviously RA isn't the same horse she was when she had her historic campaign to win HOY in 2009. So far in 2010 Zenyatta is the better horse. She has won two races she was supposed to win...unlike RA. RA's reputation is far from tarnished....that's pretty hilarious to say as she ran two good races and got beat at the end.

Hopefully The Moss's just run one more pretend race in So-Cal and head out to Saratoga this summer. If she were to at least run somewhere else myself and others would have a lot more respect for her (even if she loses). Run on the same surface as the BC. Do something DIFFERENT.....otherwise running at Hol and Dmr this summer will be more of the same old boring campaign which cost her HOY last year.