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05-05-2010, 06:14 AM
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they are the result of criminal activity. I was born from legal citizens as were my parents and so on who were born from American citizens not commiting crimes. Liberals have already ignored the Constitution.(with the support of non-constructionists) Yet they mock people that want to actually have a Constitutional form of government and say "change it".
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05-05-2010, 09:08 AM
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I think we have come a long way as a society since a group of white men with wigs, false teeth and bad breath had the ONLY say in the way the country was run. Is it fair to say that maybe, just maybe, the constitution might be a bit...outdated in some spots. Maybe?
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05-05-2010, 10:01 AM
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05-05-2010, 10:51 AM
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05-05-2010, 12:48 PM
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05-05-2010, 02:29 PM
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And for that very reason, we have the Legislative and Judicial branches 
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05-05-2010, 09:21 PM
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Most of the Electoral College technically does not have to follow what the states vote for!!! It's only tradition that they do. If they really felt someone was going to ruin this country, they'd vote for whoever they want.
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05-05-2010, 09:24 PM
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The problem with electing a President is we don't know what a truly F****** moron he/she is until AFTER elected - despite all the warnings beforehand.
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05-05-2010, 11:05 PM
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Three cheers for Doreen!
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05-05-2010, 11:31 PM
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all this talk of changing the constitution and national id's is way too much work and completely misses the point.
what we really need is an easy way of distinguishing brown people that are here legally from those that are here illegally. i propose small yellow fabric sombrero's that anyone with brown skin or a strange sounding surname has to pin to their outer clothing if they're a citizen. the government can provide these and no one who isn't breaking the law could possibly object. we can tattoo numbers on the arms of those here illegally, just to make sure they don't come back, and ship them somewhere away from us. problem solved.
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05-06-2010, 06:31 AM
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In 1984, 49 states went Red for Reagan, so the Electoral College didn't mean anything. Or, if you're right, the dollar would have already collapsed...then the Dems can take off the masks and be the communists they really are. For what it's worth I agree with both sides that the Electoral College is an anachronism, but to eliminate it the first thing you'd need is a foolproof way to get the fraud out of the system. No more voting multiple times and/or preventing the authorities from requiring ID. In the interim, the system would be made better by getting rid of the "winner take all" rules in the states, where, if 49% of people vote for a candidate, their vote is basically ignored in favor of the 51% in terms of electoral votes. That's just ridiculous. If I had the power to shape the system, I would proportionately award the electoral votes from the House seats based on the popular vote within the state, but would award the two Senate electoral votes to the winner of that state. So if California went 60% Democrat, 40% Republican, the Democrat would get the 2 Senate electoral votes, and 60% of the House electoral votes, (round up for the winner): which is 0.6*53 = 31.8 -> 32. The Republican would get 19. This would at least be a better approximation to the popular vote, and it still satisfies the Constitution on using an electoral college, since I don't think the Constitution tells any state how to award their votes, and in fact 2 states currently do not use "winner take all".
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05-06-2010, 06:46 AM
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05-06-2010, 08:12 AM
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But, it doesn't change my mind about the Electoral College. And, my comment about a godless nation was in response to whomsoever it was and those who agreed about deporting religious people from the USA And, please stop trying to teach history lessons. I'd accept them if y'all didn't make so many mistakes.
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05-06-2010, 03:58 AM
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do you understand why the electoral college was put in place? it certainly wasn't so the founding fathers could create a tradition! now, if many are in favor of no longer giving each state equal say in who leads the federal govt, then there could be a change. but i think many say get rid of it because they just don't understand why it's there, or what it was created for.
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05-06-2010, 05:34 AM
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Also, if anyone could direct me to the part of the constitution that discusses god, and where it states we are formed as a christian nation, I would appreciate it.
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05-05-2010, 08:33 PM
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Subject: NEW PREAMBLE TO THE CONSTITUTION We the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone get along, restore some semblance of justice, avoid more riots, keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior, and secure the blessings of a debt-free liberty to ourselves and our great-great- great-grandchildren, hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny,guilt ridden, and delusional. We hold these truths to be self evident: that a whole lot of people are confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim they require a Bill of NON-Rights. ARTICLE I: You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV, or any other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but no one is guaranteeing anything. ARTICLE II: You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone -- not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc.; but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be. ARTICLE III: You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful; do not expect the tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently wealthy. ARTICLE IV: You do not have the right to free food and housing. Americans are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly help anyone in need, but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generation after generation of couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes. Get an education and go to work. ...don't expect everyone else to take care of you! ARTICLE V: You do not have the right to free health care. That would be nice, but from the looks of public housing, we're just not interested in public health care. ARTICLE VI: You do not have the right to physically harm other people. If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim, or kill someone, don't be surprised if the rest of us want to see you fry in the electric chair. ARTICLE VII: You do not have the right to the possessions of others. If you rob, cheat, or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a place where you still won't have the right to a big screen color TV or a life of leisure. ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job. All of us sure want you to have a job, and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take advantage of the opportunities of education and vocational training laid before you to make yourself useful. ARTICLE IX: You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American means that you have the right to PURSUE happiness, which by the way, is a lot easier if you are unencumbered by an over abundance of idiotic laws created by those of you who were confused by the Bill of Rights. ARTICLE X: _This is an English speaking country. We don't care where you are from, English is our language. Learn it or go back to wherever you came from! (Lastly....) ARTICLE XI: You do not have the right to change our country's history or heritage. This country was founded on the belief in one true God. And yet, you are given the freedom to believe in any religion, any faith, or no faith at all; with no fear of persecution _The phrase IN GOD WE TRUST is part of our heritage and history, and if you are uncomfortable with it, TOUGH!
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05-05-2010, 08:56 PM
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"What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not." ~james madison "In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot ... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose." ~thomas jefferson "Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society."~ george washington Lighthouses are more helpful than churches." ~ben franklin "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." -in Poor Richard's Almanac "Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst." ~thomans paine I have generally been denominated a Deist, the reality of which I never disputed, being conscious I am no Christian, except mere infant baptism makes me one; and as to being a Deist, I know not strictly speaking, whether I am one or not." preface, Reason the Only Oracle of Man ~ ethan allen many of our founding fathers were deists, not christians.
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05-05-2010, 09:07 PM
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Religious quotations by the Founding Fathers - too numerous to copy here. http://christianity.about.com/od/ind...ingfathers.htm
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