Carrying the hopes of California all the way to the Kentucky Derby

[herkhorse]

California should hope for a dirt track if they want to get back to the winners circle in the Derby.

[dalakhani]

[quote=herkhorse;642918]California should hope for a dirt track if they want to get back to the winners circle in the Derby.[/QUOTE

i disagree. Its not lack of dirt, its lack of luck. No pun intended.

Pioneer of the nile wins last year's awful derby without that great trip by mine that bird. Cali horses go one/two in the oaks. Blind luck might have been right there with a decent trip.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

California should hope for a dirt track if they want to get back to the winners circle in the Derby.

i agree, although looking at lucky is pretty good on dirt. some of their other "big" horses were a joke in there and proved it again this year. if you have not seen the horse on dirt , its a big time risk.

[LARHAGE]

How can anyone possibly knock the California horses? The two best were actually screwed on Wednesday and had no chance after the draw, still Make Music For Me comes in 4th and Lucky with an absolutely brutal trip comes in 6th. They run 1-2 in the Oaks and Mona de Momma wins the Humana Distaff, I hardly think they embarassed themselves.

[herkhorse]

No one said the Cali horses were bad.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

No one said the Cali horses were bad.

you right, what was said was actually worse, that they need a dirt track to run well in the Derby....the thought has no rational basis using how well others have performed with shipping the last few years.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

you right, what was said was actually worse, that they need a dirt track to run well in the Derby....the thought has no rational basis using how well others have performed with shipping the last few years.

no, i think the thought is that cali would produce top runners for the derby if they had a dirt track, thus having the best dirt horse move on to churchill, not the best poly horse.

[largo1]

Cali need a dirt track. I NEVER bet the Cali horses in the TC races. I just can't take them that seriously, no matter how nice they seem.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no, i think the thought is that cali would produce top runners for the derby if they had a dirt track

The horses would not be better horses because they had run on dirt, the reason they did not win is simply they were not good enough or they did not get a good trip.

Originally Posted by Danzig

not the best poly horse.

what the heck does this mean, they only run on poly at del mar. the horses are horses, where they prep and train means nothing to me. Now if you say that they may develop styles that are not conducive to dirt racing, or that they may move up or down on either surface, I can buy that but in general the best horses are going to win.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

i agree, although looking at lucky is pretty good on dirt. some of their other "big" horses were a joke in there and proved it again this year. if you have not seen the horse on dirt , its a big time risk.

I think what you missed is that most of the horses didn't want any part of a 1 1/4 mile race and the rest hated the slop.

Is Mr. B posting in this thread?