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Old 04-19-2010, 07:32 PM
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NY tried this about 15 years ago, but the howls from the racing media were ridiculous every time the longer part of an uncoupled entry won. Let's hope that doesn't happen this time around.

That being said, I wonder if an unintended consequence of the rule change is that it further aids the big stables. Races that might not have filled under the current rule may now now go with modest-sized fields of horses from a handful of barns.
What Derby winner debuted as the longer half of an uncoupled entry at Belmont?
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Old 04-19-2010, 07:39 PM
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What Derby winner debuted as the longer half of an uncoupled entry at Belmont?
Judging from the time period that I think the rule was in effect, I'd have to guess Grindstone.
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:01 PM
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Judging from the time period that I think the rule was in effect, I'd have to guess Grindstone.
I figured that would give it away. He was 4 or 5:1 and the other Lukas horse was even money.

It was on my Birthday.....which is extremely important.
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I figured that would give it away. He was 4 or 5:1 and the other Lukas horse was even money.

It was on my Birthday.....which is extremely important.
Who was the Lukas favorite?
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Old 04-20-2010, 04:56 PM
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Who was the Lukas favorite?
Whoever finished second.
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Who was the Lukas favorite?
Sierra Grande..
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:10 PM
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If memory serves, Thunder Gulch's original owner owned a bagel store on Long Island.
Do you remember this because of the quality or quantity of the bagels that you consumed?
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:13 PM
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If memory serves, Thunder Gulch's original owner owned a bagel store on Long Island.

I recall Newsday publishing an article about the original owner around Derby time.

I'm serious.


Yup. Howie Bagels.
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Yup. Howie Bagels.
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Old 04-19-2010, 09:31 PM
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It's safe to say this won't be officially in use in, say, 10-12 years ala the VLT's????
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Old 04-19-2010, 09:36 PM
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What did he do in the Louisiana Derby before that?
Beat the La-bred Zarb's Magic.
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Old 04-19-2010, 09:39 PM
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Beat the La-bred Zarb's Magic.
One of my favorite horses of all time is Zarb's Magic, he used to romp up here for 15k claimers and below, almost always showed up.
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Old 04-19-2010, 10:05 PM
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One of my favorite horses of all time is Zarb's Magic, he used to romp up here for 15k claimers and below, almost always showed up.
He definitely was reliable, as he won close to 1/3 of his career starts. Bret Thomas trained Zarb's Magic to win the 1996 Arkansas Derby, and that was a career year for the young trainer, as he also won the New Orleans Handicap with the La-bred Scott's Scoundrel.

Keith Desormeaux took Zarb's Magic for 15k at LaD when he was a 7yo. Louie Roussel claimed him for $10k a few months later at FG, and Zarb's Magic went on a tear for Louie and Ronnie Lamarque.

I see that Zarb's Magic is still tied with Sheckey Greene for the 5f real dirt record at AP. Zarb's Magic tied the record when he was 9.
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Zarbyev was a solid La. sire . Surprisingly he was a NY bred and he raced in England and the USA according to pedigreequery.
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What Derby winner debuted as the longer half of an uncoupled entry at Belmont?
Great question. I'd guess Thunder Gulch, thinking that Lukas or Tabor might have had lots of entries (uncoupled or not) back then.
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Old 04-19-2010, 07:58 PM
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Great question. I'd guess Thunder Gulch, thinking that Lukas or Tabor might have had lots of entries (uncoupled or not) back then.
Lukas was not Thunder Gulch's original trainer. Who was?
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:00 PM
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Lukas was not Thunder Gulch's original trainer. Who was?
Kimmel.

I saw him lose his debut at Belmont in the Fall.
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Lukas was not Thunder Gulch's original trainer. Who was?
Another great question. Shows you what I know.
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