Derby futures

[The Bid]

That horse isn't even on a ****** like yours radar without Vol Jack. Thats the point. You put yourself in a position that if the horse loses you jump jack and bash him,if it wins you loved him.

[The Bid]

Scav he wont win a race of merit as an older horse. I doubt he ever wins another graded stake, and he will never win a graded stake 1000000 percent past 7/8ths. That includes G3

[Scav]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Scav he wont win a race of merit as an older horse. I doubt he ever wins another graded stake, and he will never win a graded stake 1000000 percent past 7/8ths. That includes G3

Dublin or Super Saver?

[The Bid]

Dublin

SS would at least get a look

[Scav]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Dublin

SS would at least get a look

I don't disagree with you on Dublin, I am shocked that he has held up this long after getting grinded on.

From a TG perspective, SS has a really really good pattern, this last race worries me though, he shoud have rolled Line of David and galloped out fairly strong with that type of trip but looked unfit. I guess the plus side is that he isn't gutted and Derby is third race off the layoff. I am wondering if he has distance limitations, he shouldn't, but who knows.

[The Bid]

Nothing that came out of that race will factor. That was a terrible race. The only horse in there I would consider using is Nobles Promise and that would be underneath. Hes at least genuine, can run the distance, and has shown that hes just as good as a 3 as he was as a juvy. To me hes the only horse of consequence out of that last Arky race. The top 3, total garbage.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Nothing that came out of that race will factor. That was a terrible race. The only horse in there I would consider using is Nobles Promise and that would be underneath. Hes at least genuine, can run the distance, and has shown that hes just as good as a 3 as he was as a juvy. To me hes the only horse of consequence out of that last Arky race. The top 3, total garbage.

See, I can't stand Noble's Promise....Not a fan at all with him, if he runs in the top two I am in alot of trouble on Derby Day.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Nothing that came out of that race will factor. That was a terrible race. The only horse in there I would consider using is Nobles Promise and that would be underneath. Hes at least genuine, can run the distance, and has shown that hes just as good as a 3 as he was as a juvy. To me hes the only horse of consequence out of that last Arky race. The top 3, total garbage.

Not a chance I bet a Cuvee-Clever Trick going 10F. I'm not a big pedigree guy- but eventually breeding like that catches up to him. Noble's Promise is his only stakes winner going 2 turns. He's a nice horse, but the Derby isn't the right spot for him, especially with McPeek saying he's banged up.

I can't find a race in this prep season I actually liked, PERIOD. Obviously Esken's Wood ranks high- but I have a very strong feeling they are holding this one together with string and tape, Pletcher putting wraps on is a HUGE negative. And besides him... they all pretty much suck.