Lawyer Ron Goes to Pletcher..

[randallscott35]

Mike,
You really are missing the point here. I don't care how much money Holthus got for anything related to the deal. I also could care less that they made a bad decision in overpaying for him (which I think at this point is premature at best on your part).

It is the manner in which it went down. If the Bloodhorse article is correct it was handled in a way that simply wasn't classy. You act like class should go out the window simply because of the money involved. It's sad that the opposite is true, the people with the least often act the best....I don't have any problem with the horse being transferred. But you can't tell me it was the right way to do it, because it wasn't.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Mike,
You really are missing the point here. I don't care how much money Holthus got for anything related to the deal. I also could care less that they made a bad decision in overpaying for him (which I think at this point is premature at best on your part).

It is the manner in which it went down. If the Bloodhorse article is correct it was handled in a way that simply wasn't classy. You act like class should go out the window simply because of the money involved. It's sad that the opposite is true, the people with the least often act the best....I don't have any problem with the horse being transferred. But you can't tell me it was the right way to do it, because it wasn't.

I agree, but does it really matter if the boss takes you out to lunch and buys you a nice meal when he fires you or if he leaves a message on your phone?
The end result is the same. Its always lousy to be fired.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I agree, but does it really matter if the boss takes you out to lunch and buys you a nice meal when he fires you or if he leaves a message on your phone?
The end result is the same. Its always lousy to be fired.

It sure as hell matters to me. 10 minutes to say goodbye to a horse that was one of the best you ever trained? Again, what goes around comes around. The most successful people treat the lowest person in the company with the same respect as the highest.

[Thoroughbred Fan]

I would say first off, I don't feel like Holthus was "fired". For one, the new/current owners didn't "hire" him. The new owner simply moved his horse to another trainer. It happens all the time in this game.

I have had horses with a trainer moved them to another trainer and given other horses to the first trainer after that. So, I never fired the trainer I simply tried to see if they could improve with someone else. There was never hard feelings. Owners are allowed to have their horses trained by whomever they like.

If LR was mine and he continued to be rank in almost every race, I would have to question if he was getting the correct instruction.

There is no beef here. The owner is not required to give the trianer any warning at all. In fact, in some cases, it is almost preferable to do it with no notice. Some owners are paranoid about the attention their horses would recieve if they gave several days notice.

It's a shame what's happened to the Hines family. If my father passed away and left everything to a lawyer then I would certainly be pissed off.

It doesn't shock me that the horse was moved to a different trainer because Holthus sticks with McKee through thick and thin and the new connections are obviously big timers and want the horse under a bigtime trainer.

I was hoping he would've been sent to Zito since his record with 3 year old or older males is much more illustrious than Pletcher. Todd seems to have tough luck with the boys.

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

It's a shame what's happened to the Hines family. If my father passed away and left everything to a lawyer then I would certainly be pissed off.

It doesn't shock me that the horse was moved to a different trainer because Holthus sticks with McKee through thick and thin and the new connections are obviously big timers and want the horse under a bigtime trainer.

I was hoping he would've been sent to Zito since his record with 3 year old or older males is much more illustrious than Pletcher. Todd seems to have tough luck with the boys.

Ridiculous statement, and false as well. Todds trained an older horse champ, Nick hasnt.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Ridiculous statement, and false as well. Todds trained an older horse champ, Nick hasnt.

Speightstown?

Pletcher is the best trainer in the business but he does have a flaw and that is his poor record with grade 1 caliber male route horses. Until he wins the Derby or BCC he's going to have an asterick by his name for greatest trainer.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

It's a shame what's happened to the Hines family. If my father passed away and left everything to a lawyer then I would certainly be pissed off.

It doesn't shock me that the horse was moved to a different trainer because Holthus sticks with McKee through thick and thin and the new connections are obviously big timers and want the horse under a bigtime trainer.

I was hoping he would've been sent to Zito since his record with 3 year old or older males is much more illustrious than Pletcher. Todd seems to have tough luck with the boys.

He didn't leave everything to the lawyer. The lawyer is the executor of his estate. The executor is legally obligated to act in a fiscally responsible way on behalf of the heirs. IMO, selling LR for far more than his worth was a great act on behalf of the heirs. They got a buttload of money into the estate by selling at the maximum of his value.

Originally Posted by Linny

He didn't leave everything to the lawyer. The lawyer is the executor of his estate. The executor is legally obligated to act in a fiscally responsible way on behalf of the heirs. IMO, selling LR for far more than his worth was a great act on behalf of the heirs. They got a buttload of money into the estate by selling at the maximum of his value.

Yes and he's acting like a real ******* by firing Mr. Hines' daughter and taking control of the family business in an estate battle that could take years to settle.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Linny

He didn't leave everything to the lawyer. The lawyer is the executor of his estate. The executor is legally obligated to act in a fiscally responsible way on behalf of the heirs. IMO, selling LR for far more than his worth was a great act on behalf of the heirs. They got a buttload of money into the estate by selling at the maximum of his value.

ask ANYONE in the business. you are always getting a good deal if someone offers you a boatload of $ for a horse and you take it. odds are so stacked against having a top horse, and then the odds that the horse remains sound, stays in top form...then there's making a stallion out of him later. take the $ and run, go buy more!! lawyer did right by the family in this case. and he makes a bit in the process. doesn't the executor get paid by the estate--10% i believe.
how often do people get offers and turn it down, only to see their dreams melt down...
there are a hell of a lot less seattle slews than everyone thinks! russell reineman played the game and won, the guys who owned she's a devil due--not so good.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by merasmag

i think in this case they thought (rightly) that if holthus got a chance to plead his case minds might be changed... they did it to spare themselves the discomfort, indecision, sympathy and second-guessing that comes when u do something u have to do, even tho u don't want to do it...in this case, it's cause jv will now be on lr (and i think lr wouldda won everything anyway so it does suck for me and my odds now that all u people want to jump on his bandwagon but i'll deal with it)

i doubt it had anything to do with possibly getting cold feet. you make up your mind, and you act. don't *****foot around! time is money, the quicker they make the move, the better. i know that's how i am in my job. think, decide, act. don't half step, EVER!

[Danzig]

also, for reference, look at sir cherokee--arkansas derby winner, he stands for 7.5k. that won't cover a six million dollar purchase price for years!

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Mike,
You really are missing the point here. I don't care how much money Holthus got for anything related to the deal. I also could care less that they made a bad decision in overpaying for him (which I think at this point is premature at best on your part).

It is the manner in which it went down. If the Bloodhorse article is correct it was handled in a way that simply wasn't classy. You act like class should go out the window simply because of the money involved. It's sad that the opposite is true, the people with the least often act the best....I don't have any problem with the horse being transferred. But you can't tell me it was the right way to do it, because it wasn't.

you are absolutely right randy