Stupidest thing I've read today

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Hold up a second... It's a mistake to think that running 1.5 miles there is anything like running 1.5 miles here. The Epsom Derby is won in 2:32.0-2:36.0, or in other words, about 5 seconds slower than the Belmont. As nuts as McPeek may be, I wouldn't be so dismissive of this concept. It's horses galloping for a seven-eighths of a mile and finishing the last five-eighths with a flourish. It's not an American Classic dirt race.

Pace or none, 12 panels on the turf is a long way...Cuvee doesn't help.

[the_fat_man]

Yeah. Here's a horse that hasn't sniffed a good trip in 4 straight races. And we have nothing better to do than trash him. Maybe he doesn't get 12F but put him BEHIND horses and make a ****in' timely move (for once) with him and he's certainly not embarrassing himself.

[philcski]

McPeek has some kind of fascination with the Epsom Derby...

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by philcski

McPeek has some kind of fascination with the Epsom Derby...

McPeaked is a tool.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

If Dubai Millenniumm had only ducked the Epsom Derby ... I think he would probably be considered the consensus best horse from last decade over Ghostzapper.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

If Dubai Millenniumm had only ducked the Epsom Derby ... I think he would probably be considered the consensus best horse from last decade over Ghostzapper.

Mineshaft was a better horse and for a trainer that wasn't a cheat. How the great DrugS could not see this is beyond me.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Mineshaft was a better horse and for a trainer that wasn't a cheat. How the great DrugS could not see this is beyond me.

Yeah, Dubai Millennium probably would have been beaten by Perfect Drift as well...I used to get a lot more mystified when reading your signature but now I've gotten used to it. DM would have absolutely throttled Mineshaft.

NT

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

If Dubai Millenniumm had only ducked the Epsom Derby ... I think he would probably be considered the consensus best horse from last decade over Ghostzapper.

I agree Doug -

Just to add as well that Epsom is the closest a horse will ever get to riding on a rollercoaster - it is just a ridiculous track and you can see every year how it affects plenty of immature horses.

[tector]

The day's not over....

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by tector

The day's not over....

It's a strong leader in the clubhoue though.

Maybe Pletcher has his eyes set on the Grand National with Discreetly Mine.

[randallscott35]

85/50 thinking BC Marathon. Plenty of turns to bolt on.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Here was Cuvee.



Just missed the CD track record for 4.5fs in his debut - and set a 20 3/5th opening quarter while dueling in his first start as a 3yo.

His Saratoga Special win in the slop was spectacular.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

His Saratoga Special win in the slop was spectacular.

I happened to look at sire stats for Cuvee and noticed that his offspring win 29% on off-tracks from a triple digit sample size. They are 32-for-111 on wet going. Noble's Promise could improve if he gets a wet track based on that.

Cuvee's offspring win 19% of the time sprinting and 12% routing.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It's a strong leader in the clubhoue though.

Maybe Pletcher has his eyes set on the Grand National with Discreetly Mine.

1/9 to not make it over the first jump.

Although what McPeek is trying to do is about as laughable as a US Trainer taking a US Steeplechase horse over for the Gold Cup...

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by ARyan

1/9 to not make it over the first jump.

Although what McPeek is trying to do is about as laughable as a US Trainer taking a US Steeplechase horse over for the Gold Cup...

"The first circuit - and particularly the first fence - is all about survival. You can’t win the Grand National if you’re lying on the floor." ~ Mick Fitzgerald

The great Red Rum from 1973:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7X4YHzGMD4

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Pace or none, 12 panels on the turf is a long way...Cuvee doesn't help.

It also is uphill for a half-mile after the start and for the last half-mile. Even as good a miler as Blushing Groom couldn't last for that uphill finish.

[DaTruth]

Why is McPeak talking about this now? Did they run the Arkansas Derby early without anyone knowing about it and Noble's Promise lost?

[miraja2]

That's too bad if it ends up happening. I think he's a pretty nice horse who has shown good versatility surface-wise. There should be a lot of 7f-8.5f stakes races he could contend in this summer. His versatility could especially make him a perfect candidate to enter in turf races with a high probability of coming off the turf, because he has shown ability on multiple main-track surfaces, as well as his impressive turf maiden-breaker.
I agree with the majority that attempting to prep him for a 12f race, and then shipping him over there and trying to win the race would probably ruin what could otherwise be a very useful 3yo campaign.

[randallscott35]

That run should set up NP for the Arc not doubt about it.