Weekend Beyers: Blind Luck 104; Sidney's 100; AmLion 98

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I think I'd rather listen to people that bet. They are off base on this one. Ask them what the average winning pace time is for 9f at Aqueduct. I guarantee Mike Hushion doesn't have a clue. When you normalize the final time, the average final time for the winner of 9f races in New York are as follows:

Aqu-ID, 73.85
Bel, 74.09
Aqu, 74.69
Sar, 73.89

You think he, or the writer of the article, know that the 6f pace times for 9f races at Aqueduct are routinely the slowest in New York by an average of nearly 4/5ths of a second? I don't track half mile times in routes, but I know the difference would be even greater, more than a full second.

I totally agree with everything above.

However ... I have a question.

cmorioles - War Pass finished 2nd and was a half length loser of the Wood Memorial a few years ago.

He dueled with a Bill Mott rabbit through fractions of 22.46 46.07 1:11.50 1:38.42 1:52.35 and just missed. Pretty hot fractions for 9f at AQU on a not-so fast main track.

My question is simply this ... did the hapless rabbit have an impact on the outcome of that race? Keep in mind those two put over 6 lengths on the rest of the field through that wicked 22.46 opening quarter.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I totally agree with everything above.

However ... I have a question.

cmorioles - War Pass finished 2nd and was a half length loser of the Wood Memorial a few years ago.

He dueled with a Bill Mott rabbit through fractions of 22.46 46.07 1:11.50 1:38.42 1:52.35 and just missed. Pretty hot fractions for 9f at AQU on a not-so fast main track.

My question is simply this ... did the hapless rabbit have an impact on the outcome of that race? Keep in mind those two put over 6 lengths on the rest of the field through that wicked 22.46 opening quarter.

I would assume he did, but War Pass was also the kind of horse that tended to go too fast anyway and tire late. We never learned if he was the type that could rate and go 9f or not, so there is no way to be sure. If I had to guess, I would say without the rabbit he slows down, but it is just a guess.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I would assume he did, but War Pass was also the kind of horse that tended to go too fast anyway and tire late. We never learned if he was the type that could rate and go 9f or not, so there is no way to be sure. If I had to guess, I would say without the rabbit he slows down, but it is just a guess.

You're way better than this.

Even I wouldn't still argue that on my most stubborn day.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You're way better than this.

Even I wouldn't still argue that on my most stubborn day.

I honestly don't remember that much about it because I don't worry about races that happened two years ago. What was the point of the question? Since I didn't know I just gave a generic answer.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I honestly don't remember that much about it because I don't worry about races that happened two years ago. What was the point of the question? Since I didn't know I just gave a generic answer.

Huge dust-up.

You were one of a few different screen names who typed a lot mocking me when I said that the rabbit would hurt War Pass and probably cost him the race and it hurt my feelings considerably.

The rabbit was supposed to be way too slow and a poor choice of rabbit.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Huge dust-up.

You were one of a few different screen names who typed a lot mocking me when I said that the rabbit would hurt War Pass and probably cost him the race and it hurt my feelings considerably.

The rabbit was supposed to be way too slow and a poor choice of rabbit.

Men shouldn't hold grudges. Especially ones who criticize a feminine throwing president.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Men shouldn't hold grudges. Especially ones who criticize a feminine throwing president.

Read a history book. It is perfectly acceptable for men to hold personal grudges. Wars are fought over such things.

I jerked off into a girls shampoo bottle because she hurt my feelings.

I would whip myself up into an inner fenzy and try to injure even my friends in gym class and make it look like acidents if they ever did or said anything I didn't like.

There is nothing even remotely feminine about having pride.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Huge dust-up.

You were one of a few different screen names who typed a lot mocking me when I said that the rabbit would hurt War Pass and probably cost him the race and it hurt my feelings considerably.

The rabbit was supposed to be way too slow and a poor choice of rabbit.

Well I just said he probably did affect him. I was probably wrong, and I think I admitted as much after. I'm wrong a lot in this game. Since he never ran again though, I won't say it is 100% certain because he was a headstrong horse that was hard to handle early anyway.