That didnt take long....

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Please dont let this rub you the wrong my question for you is the following:

Correct me if im wrong, but doesnt this new helathcare bill mandates that everyone has to have health insurance? Isnt that a way of the government trying to control healthcare.

Trying to control healthcare costs. The government will still have nothing to do with determining anything at all about one's healthcare.

We are still the only first-world country without government-run healthcare.

If Obama was governing from the left, we'd have a public option.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Trying to control healthcare costs. The government will still have nothing to do with determining anything at all about one's healthcare.

We are still the only first-world country without government-run healthcare.

If Obama was governing from the left, we'd have a public option.

uhh the president did want a public option. he asked for it especially at first and then backed off when the SENATE wouldnt approve a public option. You just proved he's governing from the left, lefty.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

uhh the president did want a public option. he asked for it especially at first and then backed off when the SENATE wouldnt approve a public option.

Yes. That was some time ago, though, right?

Because then the Senate and House each passed their own versions of healthcare reform.

Then the House voted upon and approved the Senate version, with reconcilation measures. Then the bill with reconciliation measures went back to the Senate.

Then the Senate Paralimentarian did find a couple things that sent it back to the House.

At that point, there were definitively enough House votes for a public option, and there definitively enough Senate votes for a public option (for when they got the bill back again) In the two weeks leading up to the reconcilation voting process, the progressive Dems pushed hard for a public option, and Obama told them to not put it back in there, even though the votes were clearly and easily there when simple majority was counted in the Senate (and the House version had already passed with a public option intact)

So what was passed for healthcare reform isn't even as "left" as what the Republicans presented, when they countered Clinton's healthcare reform package, and isn't even as "left" as what Richard Nixon proposed when he was President.

And Obama, when the votes were clearly there, for a second time backed off on the public option.

You just proved he's governing from the left, lefty.

Doesn't seem so, when looking at the facts.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Doesn't seem so, when looking at the facts.

You are so out of your mind its ALMOST comical. If there was ANY way the senate could have passed a public option, it would have been done. Obama REALLY wanted the public option, and only went away from it when he realized there could not possibly be any reform if they kept the public option.

This costly bill pasts last week and in Obama's speech the next day he says "this is the first step towards Universal Health Care"

And you say he governs from the center I wish he governed from the center. Get real once and awhile.

[Crown@club]

http://www.aapsonline.org/newsoftheday/00974

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

http://www.aapsonline.org/newsoftheday/00974

“There will be a dire shortage of physicians if the PPACA becomes effective and is not overturned by the courts.”

One of the many sad things about this bill are that the bright young minds in this country will stay away from medicine and study something that will actually allow them to make good money. The quality of our care and our doctors is going to be right where the Dem leadership wants it to be.. the same "quality" of medical care that we are supposed to look up to from Canada & Europe. Crappy Care that Riot and Obama pretend is so great.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

One of the many sad things about this bill are that the bright young minds in this country will stay away from medicine and study something that will actually allow them to make good money. The quality of our care and our doctors is going to be right where the Dem leadership wants it to be.. the same "quality" of medical care that we are supposed to look up to from Canada & Europe. Crappy Care that Riot and Obama pretend is so great.

There is nothing at all in the just-passed healthcare reform that has the government remotely involved in any way whatsoever in one's health care/quality of medicine.

Insurance companies dictate to a great extent the quality of medical care you receive. That is what turns off most of the doctors I talk to. The less that exists, the more doctors will enter the field.

[Riot]

You are so out of your mind its ALMOST comical. If there was ANY way the senate could have passed a public option, it would have been done.

Don't tell me I'm out of my mind, when it's clear as day you don't know what happened the last two weeks of healthcare reform regarding the discussion on public option, and what the President did to squash it in order to get the reconciliation bill passed.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Riot

Don't tell me I'm out of my mind, when it's clear as day you don't know what happened the last two weeks of healthcare reform regarding the discussion on public option, and what the President did to squash it in order to get the reconciliation bill passed.

I suggest to you and everyone else to read the bill , I am reading it and even though there is alot of government speak you can get to the meat of it , Im in the 200 pages . Interesting part is when they say there is going to be a committee to decide what end of life medicine you are alllowed to have . Awesome some dushe bag is going to say what you can and cannot have when you are dying . I know , I know insurance companies do it alreadyto an extent but at least it isnt my freaking government telling me.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Honu

I suggest to you and everyone else to read the bill , I am reading it and even though there is alot of government speak you can get to the meat of it , Im in the 200 pages . Interesting part is when they say there is going to be a committee to decide what end of life medicine you are alllowed to have . Awesome some dushe bag is going to say what you can and cannot have when you are dying . I know , I know insurance companies do it alreadyto an extent but at least it isnt my freaking government telling me.

What complete and utter nonsense. There is no end of life committee. That outright "death panel" lie was debunked last summer, for goodness sake.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

Trying to control healthcare costs. The government will still have nothing to do with determining anything at all about one's healthcare.

We are still the only first-world country without government-run healthcare.

If Obama was governing from the left, we'd have a public option.

Thanks for commenting on my question.