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Old 03-30-2010, 07:29 PM
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yeah? Who is better?
Mariano, Pap, evidently Hoffman is still better. Street is better. Nathan(was,) Soria, and Valverde are better. They aren't more talented, but they are (mentally) daylight ahead of her.
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Old 03-30-2010, 07:46 PM
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Mariano, Pap, evidently Hoffman is still better. Street is better. Nathan(was,) Soria, and Valverde are better. They aren't more talented, but they are (mentally) daylight ahead of her.
i will give you Mo and even papplebn but thats it. Hoffman? Compare how they are used and tell me again how Broxton isnt better? Valverde? Get real. Soria? C'mon. Broxton faced 300 batters last year. 44 got hits. 4 hit HR's. 114 struck out. Soria faced 222 batter last year. 44 of them got hits. 5 hit HR's. 69 struckout. If you cant see that one is so clearly better i cant help you. The most effective method of getting outs as a closer is strikeouts. There is no runners advancing, no potential errors, no lucky hits. While it is true as well with a started it is to a lesser degree because they have to ration pitches over 5-8 innings. Closers just have to usually get 3 or 4 guys out. There is no one in the game better at getting strikeouts than Broxton. he allows less hits and gets more K's than any other closer. he appeared in more games and more innings than any other closer and yet his metrics were still tops. And he was 25. You may not like him but he is not only one of the absolute top closers in baseball but he is getting better.
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Old 03-30-2010, 08:13 PM
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i will give you Mo and even papplebn but thats it. Hoffman? Compare how they are used and tell me again how Broxton isnt better? Valverde? Get real. Soria? C'mon. Broxton faced 300 batters last year. 44 got hits. 4 hit HR's. 114 struck out. Soria faced 222 batter last year. 44 of them got hits. 5 hit HR's. 69 struckout. If you cant see that one is so clearly better i cant help you. The most effective method of getting outs as a closer is strikeouts. There is no runners advancing, no potential errors, no lucky hits. While it is true as well with a started it is to a lesser degree because they have to ration pitches over 5-8 innings. Closers just have to usually get 3 or 4 guys out. There is no one in the game better at getting strikeouts than Broxton. he allows less hits and gets more K's than any other closer. he appeared in more games and more innings than any other closer and yet his metrics were still tops. And he was 25. You may not like him but he is not only one of the absolute top closers in baseball but he is getting better.
Can't strike out Phillies when it counts the most. When it counts the most he's a choke. I know that much. A Nationwide audience has seem him blow the pivotal 4th game in the LCS the last 2 years. What a witch, this guy. I think you like him so much because you know the Dodgers aren't gunna get a ring with that choke closing. It's a security blanket. No matter what, he'll make sure they can't get a ring. Believe me, Dodger fans would love to see his loser ass traded. There is no mystery for these Dodger Players now. They know, if they make the post, they can't get anywhere with this guy closing. So, it's not like they think they have a shot at the big prize. We've seen this movie. He may have good strike out numbers, but they are mainly gathered on his good days. When he really needs it, he's a nothing. I Watch this guy all the time. He's a mental nothing. He's not getting better mentally. He's not a battler like Pap, and Mariano etc. If guys get on, it's game on.
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Old 03-30-2010, 10:23 PM
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Can't strike out Phillies when it counts the most. When it counts the most he's a choke. I know that much. A Nationwide audience has seem him blow the pivotal 4th game in the LCS the last 2 years. What a witch, this guy. I think you like him so much because you know the Dodgers aren't gunna get a ring with that choke closing. It's a security blanket. No matter what, he'll make sure they can't get a ring. Believe me, Dodger fans would love to see his loser ass traded. There is no mystery for these Dodger Players now. They know, if they make the post, they can't get anywhere with this guy closing. So, it's not like they think they have a shot at the big prize. We've seen this movie. He may have good strike out numbers, but they are mainly gathered on his good days. When he really needs it, he's a nothing. I Watch this guy all the time. He's a mental nothing. He's not getting better mentally. He's not a battler like Pap, and Mariano etc. If guys get on, it's game on.
LOL

Yankee fans never forgave Mariano for blowing game 7 of the 2001 series. A's fans were hoping to dump Eckersley after giving up the Kirk Gibson HR.

Broxton is one of the top closers in baseball. He has been the closer for 1 year. He is 25. Yeah that sounds like a guy I would trade.

What you should complain about is Torre using him too much. He used him too much last year. The guy is a bullpen killer. Only superhumans like Mariano can survive.
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Old 03-30-2010, 10:36 PM
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LOL

Yankee fans never forgave Mariano for blowing game 7 of the 2001 series. A's fans were hoping to dump Eckersley after giving up the Kirk Gibson HR.

Broxton is one of the top closers in baseball. He has been the closer for 1 year. He is 25. Yeah that sounds like a guy I would trade.

What you should complain about is Torre using him too much. He used him too much last year. The guy is a bullpen killer. Only superhumans like Mariano can survive.
How many times we gunna forgive the slob? Ain't one time (double delight.).....Torre? Well, if ya boy would chew some more innings up.......
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How many times we gunna forgive the slob? Ain't one time (double delight.).....Torre? Well, if ya boy would chew some more innings up.......
Torre used him 26 times on back to back days and 19 times on 1 day rest. That is 45 games on very short rest. Mo Rivera? 20 and 14. Papplebon? 11 and 21.
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Old 03-30-2010, 11:11 PM
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The only two 21 year old pitchers in baseball history to give up less hits per 9 than kershaw are Vida Blue and Nolan Ryan.

Roger Clemens as a 21 year old
9-4 in 21 starts
era 4.32
133 innings / 146 hits
29 bb's/126 K's
13 HR's
whip 1.313

Clayton Kershaw as a 21 last season
8-8 in 30 starts
era 2.79
171 innings / 119 hits
97 bb's / 185 k's
7 hr's
whip 1.228

In 30 starts the Dodgers scored 3 or less runs 14 times.
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Old 03-31-2010, 04:17 PM
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Torre used him 26 times on back to back days and 19 times on 1 day rest. That is 45 games on very short rest. Mo Rivera? 20 and 14. Papplebon? 11 and 21.
Well, there's no doubt the Dodgers haven't been willing to take the steps necessary to go to the final level. Valverde was available for 14 mil/ 2 years. You'd think a team that's had post-season reliever problems would've wanted that. Brox had some health issues last year. You can blame some of his regular season blown saves on that, but you can't blame his pathetic post -season chokes on that. Now, I want everyone to know why. Look at this pitch he threw 8 days before:

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/ne...t=.jsp&c_id=la

See how that's moving late? It's straight lookin' to the batter, and then moves on the batter very late. Rollins would not of hit that. Nobody would of hit that within the field of play. There is no reason this pathetic cow couldn't of done this against Philly. She's a choke.

Now, look at this pathetic pitch:

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/ne...t=.jsp&c_id=la

It's straight. Starts hi inside, and takes a straight path to the heart of the plate. Look where Russ's glove is. Pitch is supposed to start in the center of the plate, n' duck outside late. She has a severe mental weakness. This is the reason she fails in front of the free world.
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