obama demands vote on health care..

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Perhaps you can make that assumption or you can make the assumption that the bill passed was so convoluted that it got no bipartisan and lost some democratic support.

I think more importantly what you can come away with is the idea that the GOP has been in lockstep against the other major social reforms passed in the past is fiction but you wouldn't know that from listening to the pundits.

you say this because you think republicans in this congress would vote with their colleagues from the 30's on social security? or their colleagues from the 60's on medicare?

i think they'd be lockstep against both.

have i completely misread the situation?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

you say this because you think republicans in this congress would vote with their colleagues from the 30's on social security? or their colleagues from the 60's on medicare?

i think they'd be lockstep against both.

have i completely misread the situation?

That is the point. Who knows what would happen? But what HAS happened has been misrepresented.

[Danzig]

here nascar:

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/03/mis...-military-pay/

[herkhorse]

Originally Posted by Danzig

here nascar:

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/03/mis...-military-pay/

a noble effort, but there is no way he reads past the first Q & A

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

a noble effort, but there is no way he reads past the first Q & A

Whatever. I have never ever trashed your statements and your trashing me? Have fun when you burn in hell.

[herkhorse]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Whatever. I have never ever trashed your statements and your trashing me? Have fun when you burn in hell.

Squirt him for me Clyde

[SOREHOOF]

Don't Use God As A Weapon.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

Squirt him for me Clyde

The yuk 'em up has been squirted.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Whatever. I have never ever trashed your statements and your trashing me? Have fun when you burn in hell.

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[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Danzig

here nascar:

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/03/mis...-military-pay/

Nice bit of info. Historically the military and retirees get better pay raises when a Republican is in office. This is another reason why I will only vote Republican from now on in any election.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Nice bit of info. Historically the military and retirees get better pay raises when a Republican is in office. This is another reason why I will only vote Republican from now on in any election.

According to who/what? Facts, my friend, not conjecture.

In truth, Clinton reversed a Reagan policy which limited military raises to below the average private sector raises in order to trim money off the Defense Budget (in place from 1980-1998). Due to this policy, the pay gap rose to a record of 13.5 percent. In FY2000 the difference was down to 2.9% and remains in that range now.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by philcski

According to who/what? Facts, my friend, not conjecture.

In truth, Clinton reversed a Reagan policy which limited military raises to below the average private sector raises in order to trim money off the Defense Budget (in place from 1980-1998). Due to this policy, the pay gap rose to a record of 13.5 percent. In FY2000 the difference was down to 2.9% and remains in that range now.

Have you served in the military? If you havent you should shut your mouth up. People who have served in the military know what political party treats them better. Its great to know that my insurance wont be affected by this worthless bill. To the rest enjoy your Medicaid/Medicare. I do feel for the people with pre existing conditions. My son has cerebral palsy and has had numerous surgeries done at Shriner's. Anyone wants a dose of reality go to a Shriner's. My wife has Crohn's, Celiac, and seizures. She doesnt work because of that. Yet this worthless government we have says she can work part time. The illegals get everything they want. We need to shut our borders down and take control of this country instead of letting worthless illegals in who get free everything and dont pay taxes. This applies to both Democrats and Republicans. If I was a doctor and an illegal was in labor I would make sure im on the Mexican side of the border. Why should this country have to deal with another burden on the tax payer's.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Have you served in the military? If you havent you should shut your mouth up. People who have served in the military know what political party treats them better.

I have not served in the military.

However, if you're going to make decisions based on your service, get your facts straight- but clearly you don't know how to do that.

What did you do in the service?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Have you served in the military? If you havent you should shut your mouth up. People who have served in the military know what political party treats them better. Its great to know that my insurance wont be affected by this worthless bill. To the rest enjoy your Medicaid/Medicare. I do feel for the people with pre existing conditions. My son has cerebral palsy and has had numerous surgeries done at Shriner's. Anyone wants a dose of reality go to a Shriner's. My wife has Crohn's, Celiac, and seizures. She doesnt work because of that. Yet this worthless government we have says she can work part time. The illegals get everything they want. We need to shut our borders down and take control of this country instead of letting worthless illegals in who get free everything and dont pay taxes. This applies to both Democrats and Republicans. If I was a doctor and an illegal was in labor I would make sure im on the Mexican side of the border. Why should this country have to deal with another burden on the tax payer's.

the raises aren't set by what party is in charge:

U.S. Code dictates a rather complex equation for military pay raises, based on the Employment Cost Index, a measure compiled by the Bureau of Labor Statistics to track the costs of labor for businesses. Military pay increases by "the percentage (rounded to the nearest one-tenth of one percent) by which the ECI for the base quarter of the year before the preceding year exceeds the ECI for the base quarter of the second year before the preceding calendar year (if at all)." Specifically, the code states, that’s the ECI for wages and salaries of private industry workers.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by philcski

According to who/what? Facts, my friend, not conjecture.

In truth, Clinton reversed a Reagan policy which limited military raises to below the average private sector raises in order to trim money off the Defense Budget (in place from 1980-1998). Due to this policy, the pay gap rose to a record of 13.5 percent. In FY2000 the difference was down to 2.9% and remains in that range now.

i've trashed that nascar guy before. hes a real narrow thinker. but your facts are correct. the republicans talk great about the military but the money shows different. i DID serve in the navy during the time you are talking about and your analysis is correct. in 1981 they started giving us crumbs for raises, by 83 i was out. i made triple working for a civilian contractor doing almost the same work FOR the navy. this nascar guy is one of those, the republicans are great and the other side sucks kind of people. when anyone with half a brain can see both sides have their hand in this mess we are in! 42% registered independants.....yes! when it goes over 50% my faith will be restored in the intellagence of this country.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

i've trashed that nascar guy before. hes a real narrow thinker. but your facts are correct. the republicans talk great about the military but the money shows different. i DID serve in the navy during the time you are talking about and your analysis is correct. in 1981 they started giving us crumbs for raises, by 83 i was out. i made triple working for a civilian contractor doing almost the same work FOR the navy. this nascar guy is one of those, the republicans are great and the other side sucks kind of people. when anyone with half a brain can see both sides have their hand in this mess we are in! 42% registered independants.....yes! when it goes over 50% my faith will be restored in the intellagence of this country.

When have I ever said that the Republicans are perfect? No party is perfect, everyone of them have thier quirks about them.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

i've trashed that nascar guy before. hes a real narrow thinker. but your facts are correct. the republicans talk great about the military but the money shows different. i DID serve in the navy during the time you are talking about and your analysis is correct. in 1981 they started giving us crumbs for raises, by 83 i was out. i made triple working for a civilian contractor doing almost the same work FOR the navy. this nascar guy is one of those, the republicans are great and the other side sucks kind of people. when anyone with half a brain can see both sides have their hand in this mess we are in! 42% registered independants.....yes! when it goes over 50% my faith will be restored in the intellagence of this country.

I am a registered independent as well, and do my very best to select the best candidate in each election I vote on. I haven't voted in KY yet but in NY governor I voted for a Republican 2X (Pataki) and a Dem 1X (Spitzer).