obama demands vote on health care..

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.politicalmathblog.com/?p=424

does that say more about where the democratic party has moved or the republican?

playing footsie with the tea party while uniformly voting against social legislation just says there's no room for a nelson rockefeller or edward brooke in the republican party anymore.

the democrats remain a center-left party while the republicans have chosen to give up the center and become a european style strict discipline ideological party. it should be an interesting experiment.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

does that say more about where the democratic party has moved or the republican?

playing footsie with the tea party while uniformly voting against social legislation just says there's no room for a nelson rockefeller or edward brooke in the republican party anymore.

the democrats remain a center-left party while the republicans have chosen to give up the center and become a european style strict discipline ideological party. it should be an interesting experiment.

And you are speaking for all Republicans or just the one's you see and hear on tv? I am fiscally conservitive and socially liberal. I want the feds to preserve my life liberty and pursuit of happiness and the rest Id surely like to be able to control for myself.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Honu

And you are speaking for all Republicans or just the one's you see and hear on tv? I am fiscally conservitive and socially liberal. I want the feds to preserve my life liberty and pursuit of happiness and the rest Id surely like to be able to control for myself.

i didn't invent the term rino.

if you'd like a debate with people that aren't looking to marginalize you, come on over and argue with us. we have room for dennis kucinich and ben nelson. i'm pretty sure we already have several million with your views.

outside of scuds, none are looking to throw you out if you join.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

does that say more about where the democratic party has moved or the republican?

playing footsie with the tea party while uniformly voting against social legislation just says there's no room for a nelson rockefeller or edward brooke in the republican party anymore.

the democrats remain a center-left party while the republicans have chosen to give up the center and become a european style strict discipline ideological party. it should be an interesting experiment.

Perhaps you can make that assumption or you can make the assumption that the bill passed was so convoluted that it got no bipartisan and lost some democratic support.

I think more importantly what you can come away with is the idea that the GOP has been in lockstep against the other major social reforms passed in the past is fiction but you wouldn't know that from listening to the pundits.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Perhaps you can make that assumption or you can make the assumption that the bill passed was so convoluted that it got no bipartisan and lost some democratic support.

I think more importantly what you can come away with is the idea that the GOP has been in lockstep against the other major social reforms passed in the past is fiction but you wouldn't know that from listening to the pundits.

you say this because you think republicans in this congress would vote with their colleagues from the 30's on social security? or their colleagues from the 60's on medicare?

i think they'd be lockstep against both.

have i completely misread the situation?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

you say this because you think republicans in this congress would vote with their colleagues from the 30's on social security? or their colleagues from the 60's on medicare?

i think they'd be lockstep against both.

have i completely misread the situation?

That is the point. Who knows what would happen? But what HAS happened has been misrepresented.

[Danzig]

here nascar:

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/03/mis...-military-pay/

[herkhorse]

Originally Posted by Danzig

here nascar:

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/03/mis...-military-pay/

a noble effort, but there is no way he reads past the first Q & A

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

a noble effort, but there is no way he reads past the first Q & A

Whatever. I have never ever trashed your statements and your trashing me? Have fun when you burn in hell.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Danzig

here nascar:

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/03/mis...-military-pay/

Nice bit of info. Historically the military and retirees get better pay raises when a Republican is in office. This is another reason why I will only vote Republican from now on in any election.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Nice bit of info. Historically the military and retirees get better pay raises when a Republican is in office. This is another reason why I will only vote Republican from now on in any election.

According to who/what? Facts, my friend, not conjecture.

In truth, Clinton reversed a Reagan policy which limited military raises to below the average private sector raises in order to trim money off the Defense Budget (in place from 1980-1998). Due to this policy, the pay gap rose to a record of 13.5 percent. In FY2000 the difference was down to 2.9% and remains in that range now.