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Old 03-28-2010, 05:31 PM
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Old 03-28-2010, 05:34 PM
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That's what ladies said about Simon Bray until his hair started falling out.

People forget, but Simon Bray was a very damn good horse trainer. Absolutely one of the better ones in the entire country. He's a classic example of why horse trainers make terrible analysts.
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Old 03-28-2010, 05:44 PM
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That's what ladies said about Simon Bray until his hair started falling out.

People forget, but Simon Bray was a very damn good horse trainer. Absolutely one of the better ones in the entire country. He's a classic example of why horse trainers make terrible analysts.
Sarcasm?

He was inept.

He's right up there with Alex Hassinger and maybe even Bradshaw.
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Old 03-28-2010, 05:56 PM
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Sarcasm?

He was inept.

He's right up there with Alex Hassinger and maybe even Bradshaw.
How was he inept?

From 2000 to 2002 he was 58-for-254 (23% wins) and had a great $2.82 ROI while training on a very tough year round circuit in So Cal.

He was 7 for 21 in Graded Stakes races and won Grade 1 stakes with two different horses.

I think you assume he was inept because you've listed to him talk on TVG.
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Old 03-28-2010, 06:56 PM
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How was he inept?

From 2000 to 2002 he was 58-for-254 (23% wins) and had a great $2.82 ROI while training on a very tough year round circuit in So Cal.

He was 7 for 21 in Graded Stakes races and won Grade 1 stakes with two different horses.

I think you assume he was inept because you've listed to him talk on TVG.
How were his stats prior to 2000? What kind of stock was he given?
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Old 03-28-2010, 07:07 PM
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How were his stats prior to 2000? What kind of stock was he given?
1999 was his first year as a trainer ... he was 10-for-48 (20.8% wins)

Obviously he got to start with nice stock ... he was a Bill Mott asst in the 90's and Allen Paulson took care of Bray when he went out on his own to train.

When Paulson died Bray lost his owner - Startac was taken from him just days after winning a Grade 1 stakes. That's when his hair started falling out and he became a brutal tv analyst.
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I think he really likes the sound of his voice also.
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Old 03-28-2010, 05:50 PM
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I think he really likes the sound of his voice also.
There are a few of them out there.
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