Odysseus pre-Derby start at KEE or OP

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

dublin is really good? his trip was horrible? because he made a premature move? thats not a horrible trip.

hes a closing sprinter that can clunk up in a 2 turn race if the pace is fast enough. he has little to no chance winning the derby. he is totally dependant on pace and has done nothing to show he is a horse that will appreciate 10 furlongs.

Based on what you just said, it looks like you have no idea how he tripped out last race. His trip last out was bad because he was 4-wide the whole way around the track while making a ridiculously early move. In the Southwest, the pace wasn't exceptionally fast. It was solid, but it wasn't blistering and he had a tough trip that day out too. I would have to agree right now that the only horses that look capable of winning the Derby right now are 3 that were mentioned, Eskendereya, Lookin at Lucky, and Dublin as of now are the only 3I can see right now.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

Based on what you just said, it looks like you have no idea how he tripped out last race. His trip last out was bad because he was 4-wide the whole way around the track while making a ridiculously early move. In the Southwest, the pace wasn't exceptionally fast. It was solid, but it wasn't blistering and he had a tough trip that day out too. I would have to agree right now that the only horses that look capable of winning the Derby right now are 3 that were mentioned, Eskendereya, Lookin at Lucky, and Dublin as of now are the only 3I can see right now.

well you are in good company at least with your opinion.

watch the race again. if he was 4 wide throughout then nobles promise was 3 wide throughout. i agree, he moved early. so did nobles promise. what is his excuse for getting beaten soundly by nobles promise?

we disagree about what is horrible trip is. he moved prematurely, but he also had nothing left when it counted. hes a closing sprinter.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

well you are in good company at least with your opinion.

watch the race again. if he was 4 wide throughout then nobles promise was 3 wide throughout. i agree, he moved early. so did nobles promise. what is his excuse for getting beaten soundly by nobles promise?

we disagree about what is horrible trip is. he moved prematurely, but he also had nothing left when it counted. hes a closing sprinter.

Surely if you're discussing race dynamics you understand the difference between being right behind the pace and lengths off of it when launching a middle move, right?

There's a big difference between being in 4th, 3.5 lengths off the pace and being in sixth, seven lengths off the pace and those horses moving at the same time. That's where Noble's Promise and Dublin were when the field straightened out for the backstretch.

NT

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Surely if you're discussing race dynamics you understand the difference between being right behind the pace and lengths off of it when launching a middle move, right?

There's a big difference between being in 4th, 3.5 lengths off the pace and being in sixth, seven lengths off the pace and those horses moving at the same time. That's where Noble's Promise and Dublin were when the field straightened out for the backstretch.

NT

sure i understand all that. i also understand that nobles promise ran much better than dublin did and is getting about half the talk. on top of it all, nobles promise was making his first start off a freshening and first time on dirt.

do you think dublin is one of only 3 horses that can win the derby right now?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

well you are in good company at least with your opinion.

watch the race again. if he was 4 wide throughout then nobles promise was 3 wide throughout. i agree, he moved early. so did nobles promise. what is his excuse for getting beaten soundly by nobles promise?

we disagree about what is horrible trip is. he moved prematurely, but he also had nothing left when it counted. hes a closing sprinter.

Keep taking shots at me... Does it make you feel better about your shitty opinion? I dont ever remember a year where I said only 3-5 horses can win the derby, of course everyone likes a few horses every year but even last year I thought anyone could win, this year is different the top 3 and even 5 to some extent really stick out.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Keep taking shots at me... Does it make you feel better about your shitty opinion?

Instead of playing the victim, you really need to try and understand why Noble's Promise ran better than Dublin (and Lookin at Lucky) in the Rebel.
Whether he needed the race and figures to go forward is really not the issue.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Keep taking shots at me... Does it make you feel better about your shitty opinion? I dont ever remember a year where I said only 3-5 horses can win the derby, of course everyone likes a few horses every year but even last year I thought anyone could win, this year is different the top 3 and even 5 to some extent really stick out.

im not taking shots at you. i dont need to. but you dont have to be here long to figure out who has the good opinions and who has the shitty ones. what side do you think you fall on?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

im not taking shots at you. i dont need to. but you dont have to be here long to figure out who has the good opinions and who has the shitty ones. what side do you think you fall on?

I think my opinion is clearly better then yours.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I think my opinion is clearly better then yours.

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[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

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[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I think my opinion is clearly better then yours.

what are you basing it on?

i havent really given my opinion much, but i did mention i liked ice box after his allowance win. you said he would be a claimer. how did that turn out?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

what are you basing it on?

i havent really given my opinion much, but i did mention i liked ice box after his allowance win. you said he would be a claimer. how did that turn out?

I think Ice Box sucks. I think he won a bad edition of the race and wont make any noise in the Derby.