Odysseus pre-Derby start at KEE or OP

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by justindew

If Drosselmeyer makes the Derby field, it would not surpise me to see WinStar point Super Saver to the Preakness. Late start, Rule, etc.

Drosselmeyer? Stop making me laugh.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Drosselmeyer? Stop making me laugh.

Ok. Then one of their other 250 nominated horses.

[randallscott35]

Super Saver isn't going 10 panels in a horse van.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Super Saver isn't going 10 panels in a horse van.

I highly doubt thats his problem. He is not very good, this class is top heavy then SHITTY.

ESKENDEREYA, Lookin at Lucky and Dublin are all really good IMO. They can all win the Derby and continue to be good long term. Dublin might be the least liked out of those 3, but his trip was HORRIBLE last time that premature move had to have cost him. He needs to be allowed to make 1 big long run.
After these 3 you have Awesome Act and Sidneys Candy who IMO can both pop up and do some damage... After these 5 there is no one else. I think a horse like Sidneys Candy would pop up and run huge first time dirt, but I dont think he can beat Lookin at Lucky in the Santa Anita Derby.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I highly doubt thats his problem. He is not very good, this class is top heavy then SHITTY.

ESKENDEREYA, Lookin at Lucky and Dublin are all really good IMO. They can all win the Derby and continue to be good long term. Dublin might be the least liked out of those 3, but his trip was HORRIBLE last time that premature move had to have cost him. He needs to be allowed to make 1 big long run.
After these 3 you have Awesome Act and Sidneys Candy who IMO can both pop up and do some damage... After these 5 there is no one else. I think a horse like Sidneys Candy would pop up and run huge first time dirt, but I dont think he can beat Lookin at Lucky in the Santa Anita Derby.

dublin is really good? his trip was horrible? because he made a premature move? thats not a horrible trip.

hes a closing sprinter that can clunk up in a 2 turn race if the pace is fast enough. he has little to no chance winning the derby. he is totally dependant on pace and has done nothing to show he is a horse that will appreciate 10 furlongs.

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

dublin is really good? his trip was horrible? because he made a premature move? thats not a horrible trip.

hes a closing sprinter that can clunk up in a 2 turn race if the pace is fast enough. he has little to no chance winning the derby. he is totally dependant on pace and has done nothing to show he is a horse that will appreciate 10 furlongs.

Based on what you just said, it looks like you have no idea how he tripped out last race. His trip last out was bad because he was 4-wide the whole way around the track while making a ridiculously early move. In the Southwest, the pace wasn't exceptionally fast. It was solid, but it wasn't blistering and he had a tough trip that day out too. I would have to agree right now that the only horses that look capable of winning the Derby right now are 3 that were mentioned, Eskendereya, Lookin at Lucky, and Dublin as of now are the only 3I can see right now.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

Based on what you just said, it looks like you have no idea how he tripped out last race. His trip last out was bad because he was 4-wide the whole way around the track while making a ridiculously early move. In the Southwest, the pace wasn't exceptionally fast. It was solid, but it wasn't blistering and he had a tough trip that day out too. I would have to agree right now that the only horses that look capable of winning the Derby right now are 3 that were mentioned, Eskendereya, Lookin at Lucky, and Dublin as of now are the only 3I can see right now.

well you are in good company at least with your opinion.

watch the race again. if he was 4 wide throughout then nobles promise was 3 wide throughout. i agree, he moved early. so did nobles promise. what is his excuse for getting beaten soundly by nobles promise?

we disagree about what is horrible trip is. he moved prematurely, but he also had nothing left when it counted. hes a closing sprinter.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

he is totally dependent on pace

He and 99.9999999999% of all horses.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

He and 99.9999999999% of all horses.

While that's an exaggeration.....but I don't understand why people have so much trouble grasping this.

Races are frequently won because of how they are run.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

dublin is really good? his trip was horrible? because he made a premature move? thats not a horrible trip.

hes a closing sprinter that can clunk up in a 2 turn race if the pace is fast enough. he has little to no chance winning the derby. he is totally dependant on pace and has done nothing to show he is a horse that will appreciate 10 furlongs.

You have never liked Dublin, when you first came here you bashed him.... Now your stuck bashing him. Dublin is at the very top if this class, I and strongly beleive that.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

You have never liked Dublin, when you first came here you bashed him.... Now your stuck bashing him. Dublin is at the very top if this class, I and strongly beleive that.

I before E except after C.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

You have never liked Dublin, when you first came here you bashed him.... Now your stuck bashing him. Dublin is at the very top if this class, I and strongly beleive that.

i think you could probably substitute dublin for ice box and apply this post to yourself.

the fact is, dublin has done little to prove your opinion of him. i actually like dublin, but think he is a sprinter. to be at the top of the class you need to be winning races. he isnt right now.