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Old 03-16-2010, 05:48 PM
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considering the crop thus far, i don't see a reason for nick to be bashful about running his lightly raced colt against anyone.
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considering the crop thus far, i don't see a reason for nick to be bashful about running his lightly raced colt against anyone.
I think there's a little BS involved about how "rushing" a young horse into facing "Grade 1" competiton is a recipe for ruining them.

Look at last years 3yo champion Summer Bird. He was 4th in a 6f MSW race at Oaklawn March 1st.

His 2nd career start didn't come till March 19th - when he broke his maiden. From there he ran in what would now be 7 straight Grade 1 Stakes race.

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Old 03-16-2010, 06:07 PM
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I think there's a little BS involved about how "rushing" a young horse into facing "Grade 1" competiton is a recipe for ruining them.

Look at last years 3yo champion Summer Bird. He was 4th in a 6f MSW race at Oaklawn March 1st.

His 2nd career start didn't come till March 19th - when he broke his maiden. From there he ran in what would now be 7 straight Grade 1 Stakes race.

3rd career start in Arkansas Derby, Kentucky Derby, Belmont, Haskell, Travers, Jockey Club Gold Cup, Breeders Cup Classic.
i think so too. i think you ruin a horse by not having him fit enough for a tough race, not by running him vs his peers.
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Old 03-16-2010, 06:33 PM
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Look at last years 3yo champion Summer Bird. He was 4th in a 6f MSW race at Oaklawn March 1st.

His 2nd career start didn't come till March 19th - when he broke his maiden. From there he ran in what would now be 7 straight Grade 1 Stakes race.

3rd career start in Arkansas Derby, Kentucky Derby, Belmont, Haskell, Travers, Jockey Club Gold Cup, Breeders Cup Classic.
Speaking of Tim Ice, I wonder if he'll try the same stunt this year with the good looking Rock Hard Ten colt, New Madrid, who broke his maiden in his 3rd start (after a runner up try and a "gimme" effort in a sprint for D. Wayne Lukas) on Saturday at Oaklawn.

He's out of a 1/2 sister to Cigar IIRC and owned by Shortleaf Stable (formerly Loblloly of Pine Bluff, Priarie Bayou fame).
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Old 03-18-2010, 05:09 PM
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I think there's a little BS involved about how "rushing" a young horse into facing "Grade 1" competiton is a recipe for ruining them.

Look at last years 3yo champion Summer Bird. He was 4th in a 6f MSW race at Oaklawn March 1st.

His 2nd career start didn't come till March 19th - when he broke his maiden. From there he ran in what would now be 7 straight Grade 1 Stakes race.

3rd career start in Arkansas Derby, Kentucky Derby, Belmont, Haskell, Travers, Jockey Club Gold Cup, Breeders Cup Classic.
Pretty much Curlin's 3yo schedule too, no?
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Old 03-18-2010, 06:38 PM
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Pretty much Curlin's 3yo schedule too, no?

Curlin won Preakness skipped Travers
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Curlin won Preakness skipped Travers
Beaten third as fave in the Haskell (Any Given Saturday/Hard Spun) don't forget.
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Beaten third as fave in the Haskell (Any Given Saturday/Hard Spun) don't forget.
I know, I bet Hard Spun. I loved Hard Spun.
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I know, I bet Hard Spun. I loved Hard Spun.
I did too. He was a hard tryer and a real throwback. Rare in this era to get a multiple Classic board hitter, (who if not for a miracle wins the the Derby), versatile, tractable and fast enough to turn back and win a King's Bishop. And he would have been excellent on the lawn had grass been included seriously in his career.
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I think there's a little BS involved about how "rushing" a young horse into facing "Grade 1" competiton is a recipe for ruining them.

Look at last years 3yo champion Summer Bird. He was 4th in a 6f MSW race at Oaklawn March 1st.

His 2nd career start didn't come till March 19th - when he broke his maiden. From there he ran in what would now be 7 straight Grade 1 Stakes race.

3rd career start in Arkansas Derby, Kentucky Derby, Belmont, Haskell, Travers, Jockey Club Gold Cup, Breeders Cup Classic.
Didn't Summer Bird break his leg?
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considering the crop thus far, i don't see a reason for nick to be bashful about running his lightly raced colt against anyone.
I guess I'm conservative at heart....I keep thinking that rushing this horse (or any horse) is going to ruin them. Plus, the Derby is a crazy race and I'd frankly prefer him not to run. I don't get a vote, however, so I'm going to root for him.
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Old 03-16-2010, 07:04 PM
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I guess I'm conservative at heart....I keep thinking that rushing this horse (or any horse) is going to ruin them. Plus, the Derby is a crazy race and I'd frankly prefer him not to run. I don't get a vote, however, so I'm going to root for him.

rushing him would be putting him in a race against top competition if he's not fit, not if he hasn't had a lot of practice vs top horses.
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Old 03-16-2010, 07:22 PM
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rushing him would be putting him in a race against top competition if he's not fit, not if he hasn't had a lot of practice vs top horses.
I guess I need to look at it that way, but let's say he runs well in Florida; would you run him in the madhouse that is the Derby?
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Old 03-16-2010, 08:26 PM
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I guess I need to look at it that way, but let's say he runs well in Florida; would you run him in the madhouse that is the Derby?
if he comes out well, everything's going fine, why not? if you have the horse, you go to the race.
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Old 03-16-2010, 08:51 PM
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if he comes out well, everything's going fine, why not? if you have the horse, you go to the race.
The Derby scares me - well, not literally, lol, but it's such a rough and tumble race. However, as others have pointed out, Curlin was lightly raced and so was Congaree - and they ran well. Nothing ventured, nothing gained I suppose.
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Old 03-18-2010, 07:14 PM
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The Derby scares me - well, not literally, lol, but it's such a rough and tumble race. However, as others have pointed out, Curlin was lightly raced and so was Congaree - and they ran well. Nothing ventured, nothing gained I suppose.
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