Woodard Double Positive

[VOL JACK]

Hmmm...I wondered why he went from roughly a 8% in 2006-2008 to over 30% in 2009.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Hmmm...I wondered why he went from roughly a 8% in 2006-2008 to over 30% in 2009.

Logic would say that his main owner started spending money again buying and claiming cheap horses but this time has decided to concentrate on two of the worst circuits in America?

Doug O'Neil hasn't missed this trick as he has become a regular at Beulah.

It isnt hard to win races (especially at tracks where the competition is so feeble) if you are willing to lose a lot of money.


Every trainer in America uses those meds.

[tiggerv]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Doug O'Neil hasn't missed this trick as he has become a regular at Beulah.

14% at SA
42% at Charles Town

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by tiggerv

14% at SA
42% at Charles Town

I cant knock a guy for running horses at CT. At least the purse levels are that of a B level track. Beulah is a tragic joke.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I cant knock a guy for running horses at CT. At least the purse levels are that of a B level track. Beulah is a tragic joke.

So you can lose money losing a races or you can lose money winning races..Well I choose option B who needs to lose and lose

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

So you can lose money losing a races or you can lose money winning races..Well I choose option B who needs to lose and lose

The pots at CT are good enough to make money with, especially if you are hitting at 42%. At Beulah you can be 100% and lose pretty much all your money.

3/19 total purses for 8 races at Beu -36k
3/17 total purses for 8 races at Beu -32k
3/16 total purses for 9 races at Beu - 38k

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The pots at CT are good enough to make money with, especially if you are hitting at 42%. At Beulah you can be 100% and lose pretty much all your money.

3/19 total purses for 8 races at Beu -36k
3/17 total purses for 8 races at Beu -32k
3/16 total purses for 9 races at Beu - 38k

What's scary is they average $1.5 million or so in total handle on Mondays and Tuesdays. I guess people really will bet on anything!

[tiggerv]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I cant knock a guy for running horses at CT. At least the purse levels are that of a B level track. Beulah is a tragic joke.

In the last week or two I've been seeing O'Neill on almost every card. He ships the pigs that can't win at Philly or Penn to CT and usually cashes a check. No idea why he would even bother with Beulah.

He has a maiden tomorrow that he keeps dropping off good performances that should win for fun if the duct tape holds together and the favorite in the finale that will likely win if the Ralph Comi Jr juice monster doesn't draw in.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Logic would say that his main owner started spending money again buying and claiming cheap horses but this time has decided to concentrate on two of the worst circuits in America?

Doug O'Neil hasn't missed this trick as he has become a regular at Beulah.

It isnt hard to win races (especially at tracks where the competition is so feeble) if you are willing to lose a lot of money.


Every trainer in America uses those meds.

Woodard is a joke...If he cheats it is a Vet accident...because he is not calling the shots.
He is exhibit A, that a high win % does not exactly mean a sharp trainer.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Woodard is a joke...If he cheats it is a Vet accident...because he is not calling the shots.
He is exhibit A, that a high win % does not exactly mean a sharp trainer.

[Round Pen]

[quote=Cannon Shell]
Every trainer in America uses those meds.[/

You said that right We use those 2 drugs Practically everyday But we are on the Farm

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Jerry Hollendorfer is currently 43-for-85 at Portland Meadows current meet. His $2 ROI is just $1.96 ... which is way better than takeout ... but c'mon ... how the hell can you win over 50% of your races from that big of a sample and not be profitable?

It's Hollendorfer's 2nd season at Portland Meadows - at last years winter meet he struggled mightily to a 25-for-62 (40% wins) record .. his ROI was $1.63 .. which is about equal to takeout.

That begs the question ... is it easier to win at Portland or Beulah? ..

At the 2008 Beu meet ... Hollendorfer struggled badly .. winning just 8 of 30 starts (26% wins) with a terrible $0.74 ROI.

[cakes44]

I don't know but Hollendorfer had a horse at Portland on Monday I believe. It's last line read "pulled up lame" or something like that from a race like only 2 weeks before. Of course it won for fun.

[The Bid]

They couldn't win a 30 2L at Mountaineer w/ Shopton Lane. He was claimed out of a subsequent start for scratch. He went on to be a multiple stake winner of nearly 300k, sold to Dubai for 600k

They lost Cowboy Hardware at 75-1 for 40k. He ran on and made about 400, multiple stake winner once transitioned

They lost Korbyn Gold for scratch. Multiple stake winner of 600k once transitioned.

Woodard ran Talent Search for 12k maiden at Tampa

One of our posters claimed one from these guys and ran out 125k. Horse and owner will go un-named

The point is I seroiusly doubt these guys knowingly drugged any horse. If you are willing to lose horses like the aforementioned for essentially chicken scratch, why would you go through the trouble of doping some nickle piece of garbage.


The game needs more owners like Hays. A guy thats not scared to throw his cash in there and just wants to win. Hes like the Al Davis of thoroughbred racing. I have seen a lot of black and limegreen lightning bolts in flashbulbs lately, but its not due to any well thoughtout drugging of horses.

If these guys don't care about losing money wouldn't it be smart to just watch them and take what they don't care about?

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by The Bid

They couldn't win a 30 2L at Mountaineer w/ Shopton Lane. He was claimed out of a subsequent start for scratch. He went on to be a multiple stake winner of nearly 300k, sold to Dubai for 600k

They lost Cowboy Hardware at 75-1 for 40k. He ran on and made about 400, multiple stake winner once transitioned

They lost Korbyn Gold for scratch. Multiple stake winner of 600k once transitioned.

Woodard ran Talent Search for 12k maiden at Tampa

One of our posters claimed one from these guys and ran out 125k. Horse and owner will go un-named

The point is I seroiusly doubt these guys knowingly drugged any horse. If you are willing to lose horses like the aforementioned for essentially chicken scratch, why would you go through the trouble of doping some nickle piece of garbage.


The game needs more owners like Hays. A guy thats not scared to throw his cash in there and just wants to win. Hes like the Al Davis of thoroughbred racing. I have seen a lot of black and limegreen lightning bolts in flashbulbs lately, but its not due to any well thoughtout drugging of horses.

If these guys don't care about losing money wouldn't it be smart to just watch them and take what they don't care about?