Fastest workouts

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I believe they would get surpringly fast fractions because the run-up was a lot longer than at other route distances at that track.

Notice in this video how long it takes the field to hit the wire for the first time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM0hmZ6ONIo

The field is at top speed by the time the timer starts. I believe that was the only distance at Del Mar where the field has that much of a running start to the beam.

The opposite occurs in Gulfstream races at one-mile right now. They break right at the pole - so it's almost like a stand still start to timer beam.

That's why a horse like Quality Road set the pace with a 25.15 first quarter in the Hal's Hope. Obviously, if he had a running start to the beam, he couldn't possibly go that slow even if the Boston Strangler was his jockey.

The 23.83 and 45.55 fractions This One's For Phil set in the '09 Fountain Of Youth are about as vicious as it gets for Derby preps.

Wow, I didn't know he posted that race from Cee's Tizzy. One of the truly fastest horses I've ever seen. What a shame he got hurt so badly at 3 and then stood stud in California. Had he stood in KY, or even Fla, who knows what he might have gotten.

If only he could scrounge up the maiden victory for him.
By the way, was that video from me?

[Indian Charlie]

Oh, and in that race you linked to, CT went the mile in 133.2. I think that was at the same meet that SS worked his 133.2 mile.

He also went 107 and change for his second lifetime win at the same meet.

Does that help give you an idea of what the track was like?

Then again, he was a total monster.

[Indian Charlie]

Looking over the PPs for AQU, I see that Bickersons recently worked a 33.4g work.

Not sure that really compares though to some of the others here.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Oh, and in that race you linked to, CT went the mile in 133.2. I think that was at the same meet that SS worked his 133.2 mile.

He also went 107 and change for his second lifetime win at the same meet.

Does that help give you an idea of what the track was like?

Then again, he was a total monster.

The Cee's Tizzy races were from 1990, the following year after Sunday Silence. In his next start Cee's Tizzy was 3rd to Home At Last and Unbridled in the Super Derby. At the time, he set the fastest 1/2 mile fraction in Super Derby history (:45+). He came out of the race with a knee fracture that ended his career.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

The Cee's Tizzy races were from 1990, the following year after Sunday Silence. In his next start Cee's Tizzy was 3rd to Home At Last and Unbridled in the Super Derby. At the time, he set the fastest 1/2 mile fraction in Super Derby history (:45+). He came out of the race with a knee fracture that ended his career.

That workout for SS was as a 3yo though?

I thought that was the following year, in 90.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

That workout for SS was as a 3yo though?

I thought that was the following year, in 90.

No, the workout was in preparation for the '89 Super Derby.

[Cannon Shell]

I believe Risen Star worked 32.4 before the Belmont.

Some problems with issuing even theoretical beyers for works are
1. horses start with a running start
2. timing can be less than accurate
3. there is usually more moisture in the tracks early in the morning
4. some horses are worked on medication

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I believe Risen Star worked 32.4 before the Belmont.

Some problems with issuing even theoretical beyers for works are
1. horses start with a running start
2. timing can be less than accurate
3. there is usually more moisture in the tracks early in the morning
4. some horses are worked on medication

I understand 1 thru 3 but wonder what meds make a horse run bullets.
Lasix
Bute
ClaritinD ?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I believe Risen Star worked 32.4 before the Belmont.

Some problems with issuing even theoretical beyers for works are
1. horses start with a running start
2. timing can be less than accurate
3. there is usually more moisture in the tracks early in the morning
4. some horses are worked on medication

They start with a running start during actual races as well. I remember when I was about 8 years old and I first tried to hand time a race ... I couldn't for the life of me figure out why my time kept coming back a few seconds slower every time. It took more than a few go's before I finally figured out races aren't timed from when the gates open.

I agree though ... reason #2 alone is king.

Imagine if you tried to make a sheet figure for a morning workout - you wouldn't know how wide they were on the turn - or if the excersize rider weighed 110lbs or 165lbs.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I believe Risen Star worked 32.4 before the Belmont.

It was 33 3/5ths.

Found this on Google from Steve Crist's NY Times days...

THE BELMONT; RISEN STAR SIZZLES IN FINAL WORKOUT
By STEVEN CRIST
Published: June 11, 1988

Risen Star's bumpy Triple Crown preparations took a last strange turn yesterday morning when the colt blazed three furlongs in 33 3/5 seconds in his final tuneup for the 120th Belmont Stakes today at Belmont Park.

The move was not quite as sensational as the time suggests because the track was extremely fast and there were some questions about the accuracy of the clocking. But it proved that the son of Secretariat is fit and ready and suggested he may be kept close to the filly Winning Colors in the early going this afternoon.

Risen Star, the Preakness winner and the 8-to-5 morning-line favorite for the Belmont, holds the key to how the race unfolds. He looks like the only one of the filly's five opponents who can stay within early striking distance.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Wow, I didn't know he posted that race from Cee's Tizzy. One of the truly fastest horses I've ever seen. What a shame he got hurt so badly at 3 and then stood stud in California. Had he stood in KY, or even Fla, who knows what he might have gotten.

If only he could scrounge up the maiden victory for him.
By the way, was that video from me?

Yes.