Stimulus jobs certainly do exist

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Pick out more of what you think are, "huge portions of money that went to non stimulus areas, huge expansion of unsustainable social programs and temporary fixes."

You see food stamps and see "entitlement". I see a whole chain of people that didn't lose jobs. Economic growth in the sense of expansion? Nope. But certainly, in a terrible economy, there are economic benefits to keeping people working, and spending (paying rent, mortgage, buying food, etc); and also to not having those among us, in the highest unemployment, starve.

Food stamps arent part of a social program and arent a temporary fix?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Food stamps arent part of a social program and arent a temporary fix?

Fine - you see food stamps as, "huge expansion of unsustainable social programs and temporary fixes."

I see them as, indeed, economic stimulus. Food stamps for the number of people on them now will not have to be sustained and are not intended as a permanent expansion of the program (given as the economy recovers); and I gave my argument for the many long-term benefits of what you dismiss as a "temporary fix".

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Fine - you see food stamps as, "huge expansion of unsustainable social programs and temporary fixes."

I see them as, indeed, economic stimulus. Food stamps for the number of people on them now will not have to be sustained and are not intended as a permanent expansion of the program (given as the economy recovers); and I gave my argument for the many long-term benefits of what you dismiss as a "temporary fix".

19 billion worth of food stamps is exactly what i said it is. An expansion of a social program and a temporary fix. Your little synopsis of the food chain is cute but food stamps are not going to grow anything. Your assumption that the expansion of the food stamp program will ever recede is simply political niavety.

[Danzig]

it's funny in a way, the stimulus was supposed to create jobs to get people off the dole, but they also had to fund extra unemployment as well as more food stamps....


stimulus necessary? most likely. pols know the bill has to pass, so they threw in everything including the kitchen sink? absolutely. and now, a jobs bill, since the stimulus hasn't created enough jobs, and didn't attack the right areas. maybe this one will help. if not, how much more of our money are they going to throw around trying to find the right formula?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

and now, a jobs bill, since the stimulus hasn't created enough jobs, and didn't attack the right areas. maybe this one will help. if not, how much more of our money are they going to throw around trying to find the right formula?

Doubt there will be any jobs help from this Senate.

Just a week after Senate Republican Jim Bunning's infamous obstruction of an unemployment benefits extension, the GOP is taking another stand that pits deficit reduction against aid to the poor and jobless.

On Tuesday, Senate Republicans -- along with some Democrats -- defeated a measure to provide $1.3 billion for summer jobs for young people this year and a $1.3 billion extension of enhanced subsidies for poor families with children.

Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), who introduced the amendment along with Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), pleaded with her colleagues not to object.

"I have personally heard the stories of these young men and women whose summer jobs changed their lives across the country," she said. "This amendment will provide $1.3 billion to create up to 500,000 temporary jobs this coming summer. It will invest in critical employment and learning programs that will help not only these young people but the businesses who hire them."

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Doubt there will be any jobs help from this Senate.

Too embarrassed to post a link?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Too embarrassed to post a link?

That's a personal opinion.

Not all of us need to be told what to think by WSJ Op Ed guys

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Doubt there will be any jobs help from this Senate.

i thought that jobs bill passed a few weeks back? or was it just the house version?

it doesn't seem like anything is getting done right now, everyone seems to have tunnel vision about health care reform, and nothing else. can't pols multi-task? helll, they all seem to have wives and mistresses...surely they can take care of more than one agenda item a day??


edit~looks like a senate version is getting done after all...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35773845/ns/politics/

[Riot]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000..._sections_news

"House Democrats Ban Earmarks to Companies"

Not that big a thing in real life, but it helps.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

19 billion worth of food stamps is exactly what i said it is. An expansion of a social program and a temporary fix. Your little synopsis of the food chain is cute but food stamps are not going to grow anything. Your assumption that the expansion of the food stamp program will ever recede is simply political niavety.

And your repeated inability to view the stimulus in anything other than your preconceived and ill-supported silly views is cute, too - in a sad sort of way. 19 billion in food stamps is exactly what I said it was. Your assumption that the food stamp program at it's current rate will never decrease is financial naivete.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

And your repeated inability to view the stimulus in anything other than your preconceived and ill-supported silly views is cute, too - in a sad sort of way. 19 billion in food stamps is exactly what I said it was. Your assumption that the food stamp program at it's current rate will never decrease is financial naivete.

And you simply choose to ignore the history of social programs in this country. The president or congress that doesnt renew or expand the funding will be labeled racist or elitest or worse(naturally there is no chance that the dems would do this because they count on the votes of the disenfranchised). You can deny all you want but the fact remains that funding of social programs under the guise of stimulus is disingenous. You refuse to differentiate between growing a sustainable economy or subsidizing one.

The economy was like a patient slipping into a coma. There were three ways to approach it. One was to do nothing and hope that it would wake up and not die. The second was to put it on life support but do nothing else but keep them alive. The third would be to act boldly and try to 'stimulate' them by using measures that may rouse the patient from the coma.

You choose option 2 yet for some reason you think you have chosen numer 3.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And you simply choose to ignore the history of social programs in this country. The president or congress that doesnt renew or expand the funding will be labeled racist or elitest or worse(naturally there is no chance that the dems would do this because they count on the votes of the disenfranchised). You can deny all you want but the fact remains that funding of social programs under the guise of stimulus is disingenous. You refuse to differentiate between growing a sustainable economy or subsidizing one.

The economy was like a patient slipping into a coma. There were three ways to approach it. One was to do nothing and hope that it would wake up and not die. The second was to put it on life support but do nothing else but keep them alive. The third would be to act boldly and try to 'stimulate' them by using measures that may rouse the patient from the coma.

You choose option 2 yet for some reason you think you have chosen numer 3.

For some reason this seems like the story of Riots life in the DT Pol section.

[Riot]

And you simply choose to ignore the history of social programs in this country.

No. Not ignoring that at all. What in the world would make you think I am?

Seriously - you really need to stop telling me what I think. Rather arrogant of you. And you really suck at it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

No. Not ignoring that at all. What in the world would make you think I am?

Seriously - you really need to stop telling me what I think. Rather arrogant of you. And you really suck at it.

I said the reasoning why it wont happen. Because the Republican that doesnt continue the funding at a level close to the current level will be attacked by the left as anti-everything. As I said there has never been a social program like food stamps rolled back by a Dem. Wont happen. Has it ever?

You need to get over what ever personal issue that you have which makes you get defensive about, well, everything.