Monday Night Football

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

PGRDN,3% of the people here control about 85% of the wealth.When I see you write something about that,I'll take you seriously.

So whats your plan? Just take money and redistribute? Dont work. Social Engineering has been a complete failure and will continue to be. Those 3% will have to act in a more generous way than you would. Some clearly do. When was the last time you did volunteer work at the soup kitchen Mr. Self righteous?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

So whats your plan? Just take money and redistribute? Dont work. Social Engineering has been a complete failure and will continue to be. Those 3% will have to act in a more generous way than you would. Some clearly do. When was the last time you did volunteer work at the soup kitchen Mr. Self righteous?

Like I said,I don't take any of your crap serious until you see something wrong with 3% having 85% or more of the wealth of a society.Until you attack that huge problem,you will have stuff like the tragedy in New Orleans continuing to happen.It's not about "social engineering." It's about getting rid of laws that help the very rich get even richer.So many people do what you just did to me.You tell me to go volunteer at a soup kitchen.Yet you don't want to change things to stop favoring the ultra rich.Those people who lost everything in that poor area of New Orleans wouldn't have been helped by soup.They needed action to strengthen those levies.That request(for money to strengthen the levies) had been made, and had then been rejected by the Bush Administration.How can this happen? It happens because we spend the country's resources helping the rich get richer.Huge tax breaks for big oil etc.Believe me,those levies would have been built well and /or reinforced properly if this area was well to do.So,keep going and serving soup as the ultra-rich get richer(and leave less and less for others to improve their lives with.)Maybe if we didn't have huge breaks for big oil,some of these people could have actually afforded to fill their tanks and get out of town.Those billions of profits made by big oil come from tightening the economic noose tighter and tighter on those that can least afford to be giving what little they have to help pay for these 10-30 billion dollar profits for big oil companies.The next time you hear about an oil company making 10 billion dollars,I want you to stop and think how much money(for soup)it actually cost poor people to pay for helping the rich oil companies.Gas prices have gone down 50 cents a gallon,and that's because the oil companies want their buddies to get re-elected.They will say it ain't so.They say prices would have come down anyways.I don't believe that those gas prices would have come down like this.Believe that tripe if ya want.By simply voting against Republicans,one can do a hell of a lot.You fail to see that.Fact is that this party works it's tail off to help guys like Donald Trump get richer,and richer.It works hard to kill funding for projects like fixing those levies.The typical poor person needs money to pay their electric bill,and to buy the over-priced gas to get to work.Most people are in denial about 3 % of Americans owning 85% of all our wealth here.Until that changes,there will be a high crime rate,and a huge poor underclass.

[Gander]

Gander my good friend life is way too short. You gotta get into a line of work you like. I mean you really have got to ask yourself what do I really love and go for it. I am almost positive my paycheck does not meet yours. But tomorrow I am gonna have some fun. You are into your 30's? Time to start thinking about doing something you love. What is it gonna take, you almost getting killed by a sloppy driver or what?

Yes Pgard I am in my mid 30's but I keep myself in great physical shape, so I seldom feel my age. I wouldnt say I love my job but I dont hate it either. I dont make a ton of money but I suppose I am doing alright by most people's standards. I have a beautiful wife in her 20's so WTF am I complaining about. Thanks, it only took a post from you and not some crazy drunk driver to make me see the light of day.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Like I said,I don't take any of your crap serious until you see something wrong with 3% having 85% or more of the wealth of a society.Until you attack that huge problem,you will have stuff like the tragedy in New Orleans continuing to happen.It's not about "social engineering." It's about getting rid of laws that help the very rich get even richer.So many people do what you just did to me.You tell me to go volunteer at a soup kitchen.Yet you don't want to change things to stop favoring the ultra rich.Those people who lost everything in that poor area of New Orleans wouldn't have been helped by soup.They needed action to strengthen those levies.That request(for money to strengthen the levies) had been made, and had then been rejected by the Bush Administration.How can this happen? It happens because we spend the country's resources helping the rich get richer.Huge tax breaks for big oil etc.Believe me,those levies would have been built well and /or reinforced properly if this area was well to do.So,keep going and serving soup as the ultra-rich get richer(and leave less and less for others to improve their lives with.)Maybe if we didn't have huge breaks for big oil,some of these people could have actually afforded to fill their tanks and get out of town.Those billions of profits made by big oil come from tightening the economic noose tighter and tighter on those that can least afford to be giving what little they have to help pay for these 10-30 billion dollar profits for big oil companies.The next time you hear about an oil company making 10 billion dollars,I want you to stop and think how much money(for soup)it actually cost poor people to pay for helping the rich oil companies.Gas prices have gone down 50 cents a gallon,and that's because the oil companies want their buddies to get re-elected.They will say it ain't so.They say prices would have come down anyways.I don't believe that those gas prices would have come down like this.Believe that tripe if ya want.By simply voting against Republicans,one can do a hell of a lot.You fail to see that.Fact is that this party works it's tail off to help guys like Donald Trump get richer,and richer.It works hard to kill funding for projects like fixing those levies.The typical poor person needs money to pay their electric bill,and to buy the over-priced gas to get to work.Most people are in denial about 3 % of Americans owning 85% of all our wealth here.Until that changes,there will be a high crime rate,and a huge poor underclass.

Where in God's name did I post I dont believe these #'s or that it is good for the country? Having a giant educated middle class is the most stable situation a democratic country can have. Im telling you that redistributing wealth will not work. Governments saying you make too much, we will take that and use it to socially engineer a middle class out of a lower class has not worked. So your solution is....

ANd I also do not think Republicans RELISH the idea of trying to maintain a small number of very wealthy people and a huge number of poor people. That is a recipe for disaster. It is the basic reason why our neighbors to the south are not economically or politically stable. But of course they have too many babies. So why is it that the majority of poor white Americans have many more kids than wealthy white Americans per family? You blamed Mexico for causing their own population disaster , so how about us? IN ALL ethnic groups having this problem, rich smaller number of kiddos, poor having and abundance of offspring?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

"ANd I also do not think Republicans RELISH the idea of trying to maintain a small number of very wealthy people and a huge number of poor people."-PGRDN


This is exactly what they want.They cherish the huge 10-30 billion dollar oil company profits.You don't remember the Oil Company executive getting paid hundreds of millions of dollars? The Republican Party is very happy to see some guy get 400 million (paid for in large part by gouging poor people that have no choice but to pay it.)Do you see Bush wanting to take away any of the tax breaks these oil companies were given? He supports Big Oil getting richer,and richer(often from the money poor people are forced to give them.)Gee,believe it or not poor people don't do better when Oil Companies make billions.So,your statement is false.The Republican Party is not upset one bit by Oil Companies making billions off of poor people having to pay whatever they ask.They could care less.When Enron was gouging people in California (in 2001,)do you remember Bush helping out the poor people who's electric bills went thru the roof? Uh, no.He could care less about how his buddy Ken Lay(and others) were making bank off the poor.So,you can say it(what you did above) all you want,but Republicans actions speak very loudly against the poor.They aren't going to put it into words,but their actions routinely favor the rich and hurt the poor.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

"Im telling you that redistributing wealth will not work."


And what exactly do you call it when the poor get poorer due to having to pay high gas prices? Is that not redistributing what little wealth they have back to the ultra- rich Oil Companies? It certainly is,and the President wasn't bothered by it one bit.Didn't give a sht that the poor would get even poorer(as the oil companies had record profits.)Not even on his radar screen.

[skippy3481]

He we go a crusade against the republicans because of course bush hates poor people and several ethnic groups. Most people are poor because they choose to be. They lack education, a financial sense, and most times a willingness to work until they succede. This is evidenced by the huge amount of people on welfare, that don't have jobs. I work in the inner city man. I'm around homeless and poor people all the time. The key to them being middle class is not to give them money, its to educate them. But one can't educate someone without them wanting it first. There are so many government programs out there to help financally challenged people go to college, but they have to accept it first. I absolutely refuse to just give people money for being poor.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

He we go a crusade against the republicans because of course bush hates poor people and several ethnic groups. Most people are poor because they choose to be. They lack education, a financial sense, and most times a willingness to work until they succede. This is evidenced by the huge amount of people on welfare, that don't have jobs. I work in the inner city man. I'm around homeless and poor people all the time. The key to them being middle class is not to give them money, its to educate them. But one can't educate someone without them wanting it first. There are so many government programs out there to help financally challenged people go to college, but they have to accept it first. I absolutely refuse to just give people money for being poor.

What about fixing weak levies,and making sure Oil Companies don't rip everybody off? That is not about writing people a check that they will waste.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

He we go a crusade against the republicans because of course bush hates poor people and several ethnic groups. Most people are poor because they choose to be. They lack education, a financial sense, and most times a willingness to work until they succede. This is evidenced by the huge amount of people on welfare, that don't have jobs. I work in the inner city man. I'm around homeless and poor people all the time. The key to them being middle class is not to give them money, its to educate them. But one can't educate someone without them wanting it first. There are so many government programs out there to help financally challenged people go to college, but they have to accept it first. I absolutely refuse to just give people money for being poor.

How many times do I hear that catch phrase..."the poor are poor because they choose to be"! No...the poor are poor because they are poor! Folks that are middle class see the poor as lazy etc because they see the world in a certain way and ASSUME everyone sees it the same! Shadows on the cave wall...one person's reality is another person's unattainable shadow! Middle class values say...work hard=get ahead=better life. Poor folks see life from their daily reality...work hard=run into a brick wall=nothing ever changes. When we assume that everyone's reality is the same, we can never understand each other! The only way to change the perceptions of hopelessness and helplessness that exist in that "other America" today is to build a fair society...and you don't do that by pandering to the rich and powerful! Those levies should have been repaired, the government should consider the needs of all the people not just the rich and influential...handouts aren't what I'm calling for...basic equality is!