Stronach reneges on SA surface change..

[Scav]

Originally Posted by freddymo

You think the vetting expense is the same? You think transportation is the same? Day rate in Pa is 50 bucks vs. 100 in Ca. and the purses are larger in some regards WAY larger.
What do you do with a 15k claimer in Ca.. Kill yourself?

Transportation is the killer I am guessing, but it isn't like you are shipping from CA to KY every other day.

This isn't talking about Pa. I love Pa as much as you do. But some around here are trying to say it majorly expensive to have a horse out there when 1) it is majorly expensive to have a horse in general and 2) it probably costs about 4k to keep a horse in California (That isn't including any trainer purse %'s that you can deduct as an expense)

No one is talking about the opportunity to run against short fields, and while running for 'decent' purses

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Scav

Transportation is the killer I am guessing, but it isn't like you are shipping from CA to KY every other day.

This isn't talking about Pa. I love Pa as much as you do. But some around here are trying to say it majorly expensive to have a horse out there when 1) it is majorly expensive to have a horse in general and 2) it probably costs about 4k to keep a horse in California (That isn't including any trainer purse %'s that you can deduct as an expense)

No one is talking about the opportunity to run against short fields, and while running for 'decent' purses

I think you are missing the point

[Scav]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I think you are missing the point

Which is?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Scav

Which is?

If everything is more expensive(which it is) and the urse structure is poor the average industry horse can not reside in the state and the average operation like you guys cant be enticed to commence an operation in the state. PLUS the average industry operation that wishes to stay in the business is forced to move shop to a more cost effective environment.

Of course the elite operations that reside/race in the state that don't really have ANY P&L issues like a Juddemonte, Moss, Wygod, etc can stay there.

Scavs, regular race horses can not race in Ca.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by freddymo

If everything is more expensive(which it is) and the urse structure is poor the average industry horse can not reside in the state and the average operation like you guys cant be enticed to commence an operation in the state. PLUS the average industry operation that wishes to stay in the business is forced to move shop to a more cost effective environment.

Of course the elite operations that reside/race in the state that don't really have ANY P&L issues like a Juddemonte, Moss, Wygod, etc can stay there.

Scavs, regular race horses can not race in Ca.

There purse structure is poor based on what you are running against, but they still pay out decent money. Maidens are still 45k....

They just don't spread it out like Pa does, where maidens are running for 40k, and 5 claimers are running for 18k. Its the 10 claimers only running for 13k that is the issue, those horses run for 24k in Pa

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Scav

There purse structure is poor based on what you are running against, but they still pay out decent money. Maidens are still 45k....

They just don't spread it out like Pa does, where maidens are running for 40k, and 5 claimers are running for 18k. Its the 10 claimers only running for 13k that is the issue, those horses run for 24k in Pa

So if the MDN SL which are not the issue are 40k and the 10k claimers are 14k what do you do with your 10k claimer. Mexican slaughter house? Ship it for 3k east? Or sell it for 4k and realize that unless you get dead lucky with a real horse you cant have a decent modest 3 to 7 horse stable because once you arent a MDN SPL or significant Allowance type you cant possibly survive the 30% vig for racing in Ca.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by freddymo

So if the MDN SL which are not the issue are 40k and the 10k claimers are 14k what do you do with your 10k claimer. Mexican slaughter house? Ship it for 3k east? Or sell it for 4k and realize that unless you get dead lucky with a real horse you cant have a decent modest 3 to 7 horse stable because once you arent a MDN SPL or significant Allowance type you cant possibly survive the 30% vig for racing in Ca.

send it to golden gate.or mike mitchell..it will run huge overnite 3 classes over its head

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Scav

There purse structure is poor based on what you are running against, but they still pay out decent money. Maidens are still 45k....

They just don't spread it out like Pa does, where maidens are running for 40k, and 5 claimers are running for 18k. Its the 10 claimers only running for 13k that is the issue, those horses run for 24k in Pa

It is more expensive to run a business in CA than just about anywhere. The labor laws force you to carry more employees, the insurance, cost of living, etc drives the prices of everything up.