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[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Impossible. The best health care in the world is expensive. It would be like Ferrari being demanded to make their vehicles 'affordable' I know you've posted various UN ratings etc. but the clearest indication that we are the best is the fact world leaders including the recent visit by Canada's Premier (for a minor heart proceedure) come here for their health care.

Plenty of older Americans have go to Mexico and Canada to buy affordable drugs, drugs they need to live. Too expensive in the US, even with insurance, Medicare. Plenty of Americans have go to Mexico to afford operations they need.

Is your position truly, if you can't afford the Ferrari, there should be no Jeep or Kia for you to choose from here? Healthcare only for the wealthy? That excellent healthcare isn't a humane right, something we are proud of for all our citizens, in this first world country? The "most powerful" first world country on earth?

What if you have plenty of money, but you can't get insurance due to pre-existing conditions. Should the average hospitalization cost for some accidents of $30,000-$50,000 make you lose your house and all your retirement savings?

What's the figures? Half of bankruptcies in the US are due to medical bills, of people that are insured?

We do not have the Ferrari of health care in the world. We are ranked, yes, 39th. Our babies die. Our old people die. We are unhealthy, expensively unhealthy, cradle to grave.

We do have the most expensive healthcare in the world, yes. But we don't get as much for our dollar as 38 other countries do .

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Plenty of older Americans have go to Mexico and Canada to buy affordable drugs, drugs they need to live. Too expensive in the US, even with insurance, Medicare. Plenty of Americans have go to Mexico to afford operations they need..

People also go there for cheap body work and paint jobs for cars not to mention dental work.

Originally Posted by Riot

Is your position truly, if you can't afford the Ferrari, there should be no Jeep or Kia for you to choose from here? Healthcare only for the wealthy? That excellent healthcare isn't a humane right, something we are proud of for all our citizens, in this first world country? The "most powerful" first world country on earth?.

Excellent Healthcare isn't a humane right and neither is excellent housing. There is a thing called catostrophic health insurance and with a 5K deductable is very affordable. Of course those who don't work can't afford a gum ball so its not available to EVERYONE.

Originally Posted by Riot

What if you have plenty of money, but you can't get insurance due to pre-existing conditions. Should the average hospitalization cost for some accidents of $30,000-$50,000 make you lose your house and all your retirement savings?.

I don't follow you. Plenty of money and you can't afford 30-50K? Huh?

Originally Posted by Riot

We do not have the Ferrari of health care in the world. We are ranked, yes, 39th. Our babies die. Our old people die. We are unhealthy, expensively unhealthy, cradle to grave..

The ranking is BS. We rank above Canada, at least in their Premier's eyes. Ever visit anyone at Mayo or Johns Hopkins. They are filled w/patients from other countries many of whom have coverage under their socialized programs.

Originally Posted by Riot

We do have the most expensive healthcare in the world, yes. But we don't get as much for our dollar as 38 other countries do .

And some would argue you get more for your dollar buying Kia rather than a Ferrari yet you won't find anyone willing to trade down.

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here is a thing called catostrophic health insurance and with a 5K deductable is very affordable. Of course those who don't work can't afford a gum ball so its not available to EVERYONE.

Answer this, Dell. Do you have health insurance? Yes or no.

If so, do you pay for it, or is it part of your salary from an employer?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

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Answer this, Dell. Do you have health insurance? Yes or no.

If so, do you pay for it, or is it part of your salary from an employer?

I have insurance and pay it out of pocket. $239/month. I work for Satan's Twin. lol

[dellinger63]

I also have broken two fingers and have splinted them myself w/ a good ole popsicle stick.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I have insurance and pay it out of pocket. $239/month. I work for Satan's Twin. lol

Do you have an individual policy, or is your insurance through work?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Do you have an individual policy, or is your insurance through work?

all me with a 5K deductable so I have never actually filed a claim. I've also had a heart scan (clear) that I paid as my insurance doesn't cover it. My point is I have made fitness a part of my life. To ask me to subsidize the health care of say the obese McDonald's workers outside catching a smoke break as I jog or bike by is crazy IMO

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

all me with a 5K deductable so I have never actually filed a claim. I've also had a heart scan (clear) that I paid as my insurance doesn't cover it. My point is I have made fitness a part of my life. To ask me to subsidize the health care of say the McDonald's workers outside catching a smoke break as I jog or bike by is crazy IMO

You are currently doing that. It's included in the costs of the healthcare system.

What about people who are not as healthy as you? Do you feel they should be able to purchase insurance too, or not?

How will you feel, in the future, if you go to a doctor for chest pain or heart palpatations, a cardiac problem is found, and your insurance company says, "Sorry. Your medical records show you had a heart scan before 2010. That makes cardiac-associated health problems a pre-existing condition, thus they will not be covered"

Edit: Dell, do you really think that the only people without insurance are not self-responsible for their own health, or are unemployed?