Who is the 2nd worst Champion Older Male in the last 20 years?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by robfla

Kotashaan

I believe he won Horse of the Year but lost champion older male to Bertrando.

[ateamstupid]

Pleasant Tap's figures are pretty comparable to Curlin's.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Pleasant Tap's figures are pretty comparable to Curlin's.

Curlin's big race at four came in Dubai ... but yeah, he was an overrated but obviously derserving champion at age 4.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Pleasant Tap's best day ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWp2Iftj9iA

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Curlin's big race at four came in Dubai ... but yeah, he was an overrated but obviously derserving champion at age 4.

I guess the question is what we're basing this on, figures or accomplishments. Obviously Curlin accomplished more than Pleasant Tap, but he wasn't much faster, if at all. Do you have access to The Wicked North's PP's? Because he had a way crappier year than Pleasant Tap by stakes results.

[MISTERGEE]

cant be pleasant tap, go with lawyer ron, left bank, the wicked north

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I guess the question is what we're basing this on, figures or accomplishments. Obviously Curlin accomplished more than Pleasant Tap, but he wasn't much faster, if at all. Do you have access to The Wicked North's PP's? Because he had a way crappier year than Pleasant Tap by stakes results.

A combonation of all factors.

I'd give TWN a razor thin edge over Plesant Tap because TWN was an excellent sprinter, distance horse, and had a good turf race his only try on firm turf. Those California speed types often over performed when they'd go East but he never did.

In his Bing Crosby win he battled for the lead the whole way and beat defending BC Sprint champion Thirty Slews. He also was 2nd to defending BC Sprint winner Cardmania in the San Carlos.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

A combonation of all factors.

I'd give TWN a razor thin edge over Plesant Tap because TWN was an excellent sprinter, distance horse, and had a good turf race his only try on firm turf. Those California speed types often over performed when they'd go East but he never did.

In his Bing Crosby win he battled for the lead the whole way and beat defending BC Sprint champion Thirty Slews. He also was 2nd to defending BC Sprint winner Cardmania in the San Carlos.

Like I said to VJ, I thought we were only discussing their champion seasons. If that's the case, Pleasant Tap had a better sprint year than TWN too. He also had a way more rigorous campaign, ran in the BCC and was never out of the exacta, while TWN finished his year out of the trifecta in the HOL Gold Cup.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Like I said to VJ, I thought we were only discussing their champion seasons.

If you're just going on single championship year ... than yeah .. I think it's probably a Gio Ponti 1st and TWN 2nd cold exacta.