2/20 (TAM): Tampa Bay Breeders Cup

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I though there wasn't a chance in hell of them leaving Rosemary up there. She rode some race, I'm glad they left her number up.

It would've been a shame if they took her down, which I was totally expecting them to do.

Gio holds his ground and stays in the same path while Karelian floats out? You've got a rightful DQ. The fact that they float out 8 paths together with NO contact and then barely brush (if at all) just before the wire says totally correct on the non-DQ to me. Even Ramon admits the horse never hit Gio Ponti in the DRF recap.

Was sure Karelian was coming down -- refreshed to see he didn't.

[Cannon Shell]

61D-13.004 Maintaining a Straight Course.
(1) If the stewards determine that a racing infraction was intentional, or due to careless riding or driving, the jockey shall be held responsible.
(2) When the way is clear in a race, a horse may be ridden or driven to any part of the course, but if any horse swerves, or is ridden to either side so as to interfere with, impede, or intimidate any other horse, it is a racing infraction.(3) The offending horse shall be disqualified if, in the opinion of the stewards, the racing infraction altered the outcome of the race, regardless of whether the infraction was accidental, willful, or the result of careless riding.


According to the rules of racing in FL the horse should have come down. The horse obviously came out 4 or 5 paths and despite what you hear contact is not part of the rule. How it was ruled that Arnolds horse didnt at the very least intimidate Gio Ponte by bearing out so much in the stretch means to me the stewards dont even know the rules either because with the margin of defeat so close how could you possibly judge the infraction did not alter the outcome of the race?

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

61D-13.004 Maintaining a Straight Course.
(1) If the stewards determine that a racing infraction was intentional, or due to careless riding or driving, the jockey shall be held responsible.
(2) When the way is clear in a race, a horse may be ridden or driven to any part of the course, but if any horse swerves, or is ridden to either side so as to interfere with, impede, or intimidate any other horse, it is a racing infraction.(3) The offending horse shall be disqualified if, in the opinion of the stewards, the racing infraction altered the outcome of the race, regardless of whether the infraction was accidental, willful, or the result of careless riding.


According to the rules of racing in FL the horse should have come down. The horse obviously came out 4 or 5 paths and despite what you hear contact is not part of the rule. How it was ruled that Arnolds horse didnt at the very least intimidate Gio Ponte by bearing out so much in the stretch means to me the stewards dont even know the rules either because with the margin of defeat so close how could you possibly judge the infraction did not alter the outcome of the race?

Rosemary so pretty

[Kasept]

Just got to watch the extended video for the first time...

If Karelian isn't taken down in that instance, you might as well not bother to have rules or stewards.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

There was a 3/1 shot standout on pace figures that won the race before Gio Ponti ... instead of betting him to win, I bet a cold double into Gio Ponti because it was paying $15. In other words - why bet the 3/1 shot to win when you can play a cold double and get that plus 4/5 odds on Gio Ponti to win a race where he figured to be 1/5 or less.

Anyway, I needed Gio Ponti to be put up in order to cash - so I wanted him to be put up .... but that would have been an absolutely gutless DQ by the stewards.

Take the rule book and shove it ... what happened in the stretch run of that race was good race riding by the jockey of the winner. Gio Ponti had every oppertunity to go by and the contact was very minimal if it even happened at all.

Jocks can pretty much get away with murder in the early stages of a race, you know, the part of the race where actual trouble is more significant. But they have to maintain a straight course in a desperate driving finish and many times can't even get away with brushing...it's a huge pet peeve of mine.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Take the rule book and shove it ... what happened in the stretch run of that race was good race riding by the jockey of the winner. Gio Ponti had every oppertunity to go by and the contact was very minimal if it even happened at all.

As Chuck points out with the actual rules, contact is immaterial. Karelian herded Gio Ponti 5 paths across the track and then photoed him by a sheet of paper. It's a foul, and it's grossly apparent. If they ding-donged back and forth a path or two it would be one thing. But if you can't see that Gio Ponti's momentum is being carried wider and wider by the foe, I'm surprised. And as a proviso, I don't care for Gio Ponti or Clement.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Kasept

But if you can't see that Gio Ponti's momentum is being carried wider and wider by the foe, I'm surprised.

I can see it...

And I have a name for it...

It's called horse racing.

Let them play Steven .. let them play. He had every chance to go by if he was good enough. Her race riding cost GP maybe a neck in momentum tops.