Choke Artist

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I'm not convinced he choked. That was a bad throw on the int....but that hardly decided the game.

Really? A 14-point swing with 3:12 left doesn't decide the game? The Saints' offense, for all their "picking apart," scored 24 points. The Colts could've beaten that if Peyton didn't throw his pick. You can't pin the loss all on him, but to say that that play "hardly decided the game" is effing ridiculous.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Really? A 14-point swing with 3:12 left doesn't decide the game? The Saints' offense, for all their "picking apart," scored 24 points. The Colts could've beaten that if Peyton didn't throw his pick. You can't pin the loss all on him, but to say that that play "hardly decided the game" is effing ridiculous.

Even if the Colts had scored a TD on that drive, and they probably would have, the Saints would have answered right back. The Colts defense was finished after spending most of the second quarter on the field.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I'm entitled to whatever incorrect opinion I come up with. I think other things that happened were more important than that pick as I descibed in my post. If I'm wrong so be it. I don't care. I live making incorrect statements and opinions my whole life. The Saints were 3 for 3 on lengthy field goals and the Colts were 0 for 1. I think that was important. I think the successful onside kick was important. The Peyton interception was just one occurrence that decided the game. Every play plays a part in deciding the game. I think other things that happened were more important.

Okay. Whether the pick 6 in the last 3 minutes of the super bowl giving the other team a two touchdown lead is NOT as important as a missed 50 yard field goal that wouldn't have given indy even a td lead is debatable...on some planet.

What isnt debatable is that it was a poor decision at a time in the game when the great QB's step up. Does Golden Joe make that throw? Bradshaw? Brady?

It is Manning's career in large parts. He is the golden boy and was annointed before he put on that stupid looking orange uniform. He has in many ways surpassed expectations. In many ways, he hasnt lived up to them.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

If everyone thought alike it would be a boring planet. I never even mentioned the dropped Garcon pass early in the 2nd which may have gone for a TD as he had open space and was hit in stride. At a time in the game when Manning was picking apart the Saints D. They go up 17-0 there the whole game changes. That was big....as were the decisions at the end of the first half, and Manning may have called all those runs up the middle which gave the Saints 3 gift points. I don't know. It's armchair quarterbacking, we're all wrong...you as well. And we all know it was HOF'ers that Manning has played with his whole career that is the only reason for his success, like Collie and Garcon this year. Manning has nothing to do with anyone's success on that team. Isn't that how it goes on your planet??

yeah, marvin harrison was a bum. Reggie Wayne is a bum. Dallas Clarke...bum too. The edge was a bum BEFORE the acl and then a complete bum afterward. The line sucked. Defense was horrible. Peyton made them all better...Right?

Polian has built Peyton Manning some crappy teams. Built some crappy ones for the Bills before that. Amazing they keep that guy around.

I said Peyton Manning was one of the best QB's of his era. Of course he makes the guys around him better. That team is probably lucky to be 5-11 without him this year. His durability allows them the flexibility not to have to overpay a backup. He is the single most important player in the league. I honestly believe this.

Manning is at the point where he is beyond being judged against his generational peers. He is judged against the greats in history. When measured at those lofty heights, he falls short. The greats arent 9-9 all time post season. The greats didnt go to the citrus bowl every year. The greats don't throw that pick 6 with 3 minutes to go in the superbowl down by 7.

[rpncaine]

Especially Garcon droping that third down pass. He makes that play and Colts get 3 or 7 more points and things look much different.