Choke Artist

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvJtqphaLls

Not even a comparison my friend, but nice try and I respect the heart you have.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Not even a comparison my friend, but nice try and I respect the heart you have.

How is it not a comparison? I know there was no way you were a Pats fan all the way back then, so let me explain: the Patriots were finally about to take the lead after being shut down all game, and Tawmmy Terrific delivered a crippling 14-point turnaround that ultimately sealed a playoff game for the other team. I'm no Manning fan, but I'd be more inclined to agree with you if you'd stop making everything about the Patriots, A TEAM THAT HAS BEEN HOME FOR A MONTH.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

How is it not a comparison? I know there was no way you were a Pats fan all the way back then, so let me explain: the Patriots were finally about to take the lead after being shut down all game, and Tawmmy Terrific delivered a crippling 14-point turnaround that ultimately sealed a playoff game for the other team. I'm no Manning fan, but I'd be more inclined to agree with you if you'd stop making everything about the Patriots, A TEAM THAT HAS BEEN HOME FOR A MONTH.

and lost their last super bowl. how tom is elevated over peyton because peytons team lost yesterday i don't know. at least they were in the big game!

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

How is it not a comparison? I know there was no way you were a Pats fan all the way back then, so let me explain: the Patriots were finally about to take the lead after being shut down all game, and Tawmmy Terrific delivered a crippling 14-point turnaround that ultimately sealed a playoff game for the other team. I'm no Manning fan, but I'd be more inclined to agree with you if you'd stop making everything about the Patriots, A TEAM THAT HAS BEEN HOME FOR A MONTH.

Your right, I should have not refered to the Pats and just called him a choke artist. I was a Pats fan then and I remember it like it was yesterday, but this was the Super Bowl and they were coming down to tie the game, I think this pick was A LOT BIGGER.

[dalakhani]

Peyton Manning IS a choke. Has been for large portions of his career. Greatest QB ever? Get real. He couldnt hold Golden Joe's...you know.

Having said all that, he is one of if not the best QB of our era. The whole idea that Peyton handles pressure well, though, is laughable.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Peyton Manning IS a choke. Has been for large portions of his career. Greatest QB ever? Get real. He couldnt hold Golden Joe's...you know.

Having said all that, he is one of if not the best QB of our era. The whole idea that Peyton handles pressure well, though, is laughable.

I'm not convinced he choked. That was a bad throw on the int....but that hardly decided the game. Brees toyed with the Colts D with short passes. Even if Peyton doesn't throw that pick, I'm not sure the colts win the game or completely stop the Saints at any time after that even if the Colts tied it that drive. It was a weird game, and I felt the Colts lost it or Saints won it at the end of the first half. The Colts had a great goal line stand which should have re-turned the game around and then with 1:50 left in the half they decided not to be the colts and ran up the middle three straight times with a 10-3 lead. Rather than trying to extend the lead with all that time and two timeouts left when the Saints couldn't really stop the Colts either all game they gift wrapped the Saints 3 points at the end of the half. Brees was excellent managing the game, but Sean Payton and Garrett Hartley were the MVPs that game. The Saints O only scored 2 TDs and both drives were under 60 yards. Hartley's long field goals bailed them out all game long. He was the real MVP. Or Payton, that on-side kick was ridiculous and he would have been rightly roasted had it failed and the Colts took it in. He had the guts to not care and do it. It won them the game along with Hartley's 3 45-50 yard field goals. Good stuff. Laying it on a Manning choke is a bit ludicrous...completely. THe Saints simply won the game. But I think a lot of stuff happened that was a heckuva lot more important in determining the game than one Manning pick trailing 24-17.

[johnny pinwheel]

of course he did not choke. it was one play and hes one guy. the thread is stupid anyway. the saints were clearly the best team. they beat the cardinals and the vikings to get in while the colts played the ravens and the jets. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who played harder teams. the point spread was a joke because of the "peyton" hype. the colts had a good first quarter but after the saints calmed down, the colts were totally outclassed and it was on both sides of the ball AND SPECIAL TEAMS.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

of course he did not choke. it was one play and hes one guy. the thread is stupid anyway. the saints were clearly the best team. they beat the cardinals and the vikings to get in while the colts played the ravens and the jets. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who played harder teams. the point spread was a joke because of the "peyton" hype. the colts had a good first quarter but after the saints calmed down, the colts were totally outclassed and it was on both sides of the ball AND SPECIAL TEAMS.

I'm sorry, but the Vikings beat themselves.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I'm not convinced he choked. That was a bad throw on the int....but that hardly decided the game.

Really? A 14-point swing with 3:12 left doesn't decide the game? The Saints' offense, for all their "picking apart," scored 24 points. The Colts could've beaten that if Peyton didn't throw his pick. You can't pin the loss all on him, but to say that that play "hardly decided the game" is effing ridiculous.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Really? A 14-point swing with 3:12 left doesn't decide the game? The Saints' offense, for all their "picking apart," scored 24 points. The Colts could've beaten that if Peyton didn't throw his pick. You can't pin the loss all on him, but to say that that play "hardly decided the game" is effing ridiculous.

Even if the Colts had scored a TD on that drive, and they probably would have, the Saints would have answered right back. The Colts defense was finished after spending most of the second quarter on the field.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I'm entitled to whatever incorrect opinion I come up with. I think other things that happened were more important than that pick as I descibed in my post. If I'm wrong so be it. I don't care. I live making incorrect statements and opinions my whole life. The Saints were 3 for 3 on lengthy field goals and the Colts were 0 for 1. I think that was important. I think the successful onside kick was important. The Peyton interception was just one occurrence that decided the game. Every play plays a part in deciding the game. I think other things that happened were more important.

Okay. Whether the pick 6 in the last 3 minutes of the super bowl giving the other team a two touchdown lead is NOT as important as a missed 50 yard field goal that wouldn't have given indy even a td lead is debatable...on some planet.

What isnt debatable is that it was a poor decision at a time in the game when the great QB's step up. Does Golden Joe make that throw? Bradshaw? Brady?

It is Manning's career in large parts. He is the golden boy and was annointed before he put on that stupid looking orange uniform. He has in many ways surpassed expectations. In many ways, he hasnt lived up to them.

[rpncaine]

Especially Garcon droping that third down pass. He makes that play and Colts get 3 or 7 more points and things look much different.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Your right, I should have not refered to the Pats and just called him a choke artist. I was a Pats fan then and I remember it like it was yesterday, but this was the Super Bowl and they were coming down to tie the game, I think this pick was A LOT BIGGER.

he did not have to throw a pick 6 against the giants....he did not have time to because he spent half the game on his ass.....lol. and it was the greatest thing seeing them lose after all the undefeated BS we had to hear about. 18-0 to 19-1. the one the pats lose is the SB. i call that the trump of chokes...and you are talking about this game....lol