Anti-slaughter legislation gearing up again

Danzig · #1 02-05-2010, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

It's a gross subject.

yes it is. and like most complex problems, it requires a complex solution. but humans being the lazy things they are, we want an easy painless solution to this, just like everything else.

michael gill getting out of the business (if he really does this time, we've been here before) might be a bad thing short term for his horses. but long term, wouldn't it be a good thing? less breeders, less demand, less horses, less need for sending slow horses somewhere. the breeders who get left out in the cold won't like it-but the fact remains that right now supply is far ahead of demand. and the horses pay.

Rudeboyelvis · #2 02-05-2010, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

yes it is. and like most complex problems, it requires a complex solution. but humans being the lazy things they are, we want an easy painless solution to this, just like everything else.

michael gill getting out of the business (if he really does this time, we've been here before) might be a bad thing short term for his horses. but long term, wouldn't it be a good thing? less breeders, less demand, less horses, less need for sending slow horses somewhere. the breeders who get left out in the cold won't like it-but the fact remains that right now supply is far ahead of demand. and the horses pay.

There in lies the problem. There is no shortage of breeders, shitty mares, or crappy stallions. One has to ask - Does Indiana really need a breeding program?? Michigan?? Oregon?? etc...

As long as there is a supply and a demand, whether it be peanut butter, heroine, or horse flesh - there will be an economy for the commodity - regardless of the law.

GBBob · #3 02-06-2010, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

There in lies the problem. There is no shortage of breeders, shitty mares, or crappy stallions. One has to ask - Does Indiana really need a breeding program?? Michigan?? Oregon?? etc...

As long as there is a supply and a demand, whether it be peanut butter, heroine, or horse flesh - there will be an economy for the commodity - regardless of the law.

I get it, but ironically, if it wasn't for Indiana's state bred program, our KY, FL, NY breds might not be still running all this year. We stand to make $100K in purses because of one Indiana bred this year. I understand it's ridiculous and I really understand the over breeding issues, but the State Bred programs like IL, IN, PA, etc can support a lot of the supposed "better" bred horses.

There is no doubt that over breeding is a huge problem, but to come down on the regional State-Breds isn't the answer.

freddymo · #4 02-06-2010, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

I get it, but ironically, if it wasn't for Indiana's state bred program, our KY, FL, NY breds might not be still running all this year. We stand to make $100K in purses because of one Indiana bred this year. I understand it's ridiculous and I really understand the over breeding issues, but the State Bred programs like IL, IN, PA, etc can support a lot of the supposed "better" bred horses.

There is no doubt that over breeding is a huge problem, but to come down on the regional State-Breds isn't the answer.

The issue isnt the breeder programs its the fact that there are 50k races. IF you cut the racing to 30k a lot of the state bred, racing would be targets.

freddymo · #5 02-06-2010, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

I get it, but ironically, if it wasn't for Indiana's state bred program, our KY, FL, NY breds might not be still running all this year. We stand to make $100K in purses because of one Indiana bred this year. I understand it's ridiculous and I really understand the over breeding issues, but the State Bred programs like IL, IN, PA, etc can support a lot of the supposed "better" bred horses.

There is no doubt that over breeding is a huge problem, but to come down on the regional State-Breds isn't the answer.

The question to ask is: Are Statebred programs encouraging the right owners to participate in the sport, or would racing(horses) be better off without the programs?

Do you feel state programs are attracting the types of owners that can help the sport recover?

GBBob · #6 02-06-2010, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

The question to ask is: Are Statebred programs encouraging the right owners to participate in the sport, or would racing(horses) be better off without the programs?

Do you feel state programs are attracting the types of owners that can help the sport recover?

As an aside, Top Royelle is due to drop Monday...hoping for the best