Is This Really the Best We Have?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Ok, let's first establish that Watchmaker is an idiot. This we already know. So the order of his selections is not the point of this post. He's basically got all of the correct nominations for the top 10. U can put them in whatever order u want. The point here is how depressingly weak this group is when this is your top 10. Horrible. We all can agree that Lava Man and Invasor are the top two I'm sure. After that:

1 - Invasor
2 - Lava Man

3 - Sun King-For all of his hard work, he's still only won ONE stakes this year, and it was a gr II sprint.

4 - Surf Cat-At least he has won three gr II races this year but only ONE was a route.

5 - Brass Hat-Has a gr I and a gr II but no wins since February.

6 - Silver Train-Has a gr I and a gr II and the Met Mile is considered a sprint by many.

7 - Premium Tap-Just won the first graded stakes of his career. One gr I win.

8 - Park Avenue Ball-One graded stakes win this year and that was a gr III.

9 - Good Reward-No graded stakes wins this year at all. No stakes wins PERIOD this year.

10 - Flower Alley-One graded stakes win this year and that was a gr III.

That means that from the #3-10 horses, in route races, which is what this division is about, we have these totals:

3 gr I (Donn, Met Mile, Woodward)
2 gr II (New Orleans Hcp, Mervyn LeRoy)
2 gr III (Salvatore Mile, Iselin Hcp)

Is this pathetic or what?

What does your first comment, " Ok, let's first establish that Watchmaker is an idiot. This we already know " have to do with the rest of your post? Is it important for you to criticize Watch in order to feel better about your complete lack of accomplishment in horse racing?

But, what's even funnier, is that while apparently conceding that Watch is an " idiot " ( which I happen to not agree with ), you use his top ten list to solidify your apparent point that the top older horses in the US are weak.

So, if Watchmaker is an idiot, then I guess you are as well.

But, " this we already know ".

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What does your first comment, " Ok, let's first establish that Watchmaker is an idiot. This we already know " have to do with the rest of your post? Is it important for you to criticize Watch in order to feel better about your complete lack of accomplishment in horse racing?

But, what's even funnier, is that while apparently conceding that Watch is an " idiot " ( which I happen to not agree with ), you use his top ten list to solidify your apparent point that the top older horses in the US are weak.

So, if Watchmaker is an idiot, then I guess you are as well.

But, " this we already know ".

As u said, I am an idiot. I know this already and anyone that reads anything that I type knows this too. However, I don't get paid by a national publication to look like a professional and STILL be an idiot. I just do it on forums like these where my audience is limited. The point in putting that in first in the post was so that the thread didn't automatically turn into a "Watchmaker is an idiot" thread which it would have. The point was in saying that while we know that he is, in this instance, he actually got it right. Maybe the order would be changed by some but the horses are the right horses. The point was to illustrate just how weak this year's division is.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

As u said, I am an idiot. I know this already and anyone that reads anything that I type knows this too. However, I don't get paid by a national publication to look like a professional and STILL be an idiot. I just do it on forums like these where my audience is limited. The point in putting that in first in the post was so that the thread didn't automatically turn into a "Watchmaker is an idiot" thread which it would have. The point was in saying that while we know that he is, in this instance, he actually got it right. Maybe the order would be changed by some but the horses are the right horses. The point was to illustrate just how weak this year's division is.

My point is that your supposed point was irrelevent to the rest of your post and merely a reflection on you.

Are you as brave in criticizing people to their faces as you are on the internet?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

My point is that your supposed point was irrelevent to the rest of your post and merely a reflection on you.

Are you as brave in criticizing people to their faces as you are on the internet?

If I were face to face with Watchmaker, damn right I'd tell him that he's an idiot. And he'd tell me I'm an idiot. And we'd laugh about it. It's really nothing to get upset over.

This means nothing to u I'm sure but back in 1989 when Lukas had Houston and Open Mind, I ran into him in the paddock area at Santa Anita. He sat and talked with my friend and I for a few minutes. He told us that Houston would be coming west to run in the Santa Anita Derby and then they would point to the Kentucky Derby. I told Wayne that they were looking at the Derby with the wrong horse. I told him to his face that I thought Open Mind was the better horse and that he was making a mistake. Was that stupid of me to question a hall of fame trainer to his face about his own horses? Maybe it was, especially considering that I was 18 years old and had been following the sport all of 3 1/2 years. Did it stop me? Nope. This game is all about opinions. We all have them and we back them with our predictions and because we back them with our wagers, it gives each of us the right to have an opinion. I think Watchmaker is an idiot. U think I am one. Doesn't bother me one bit. I'll be the first to tell u that I'm an idiot for even playing this sport, as Jeff Mullins has said. At least I admit that I am one though. Would Watchmaker?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

I find it hard to believe that I am going to bat for KG and his 4,000 word diatribes, but give me a break noone I have EVER read is less knowledgable and makes more noise than you per thread.

It is nauseating to read about your chats with a bunch of bust outs who wear cigar boxes for shoes. Your friend Nick worked as a groom for Buddy and I and he always smelled. Must have been great to have your picture taken in the Winner's Circle after a MSW with Nick.

I spent 20 years busting out guys like you starting when I was 16. If I were you I'd run to Bobby and check this out.

Run to who....Bobby? Do you mean Bobby Brady? Bobby Brown? Bobby who?

You may be the most ridiculous wanabee in the history of the internet. You add less to a room than a fart. Between your silly abbreviations and unrecognizable first name references, as though you are some sort of industry insider, you have created perhaps the most laughable persona in internet history.

You were banned from the horseracingtalk message board.....chew on that one for a while.

[Dunbar]

The original question was about "the best we have". I'd put Second of June above several that were listed. IMO he's much better right now than FA, Good Reward, Park Ave Ball.

--Dunbar

[DiscreetCat=Monster]

The H E L L with watchmaker he used to bad mouth lost in the fog the guy is a D A M N jinx hope he feels real good about all the bad things he said about that gutsy horse RIP

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What does your first comment, " Ok, let's first establish that Watchmaker is an idiot. This we already know " have to do with the rest of your post? Is it important for you to criticize Watch in order to feel better about your complete lack of accomplishment in horse racing?

But, what's even funnier, is that while apparently conceding that Watch is an " idiot " ( which I happen to not agree with ), you use his top ten list to solidify your apparent point that the top older horses in the US are weak.

So, if Watchmaker is an idiot, then I guess you are as well.

But, " this we already know ".

This post was devastating to the premise of the thread.