Change of Plans for Lava Man

Originally Posted by repent

what up Dixie.
these trolls never completely die off I guess.

hell,
Ive said a thousand times over that I, like any racing observer, knows how fast smarty jones was.

yet losers still want to ask me about him as if I am some kind of smarty jones racing historian.


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Repent,
Dunbat specializes inattempting to find fault with others while NEVER adding anything of even the most remote value to a thread or discussion.
Not one time has he ever written anything of vaule or interest.
The Tin man got very lucky and loose last time, it won't happen again. That you can bet on.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Repent,
Dunbat specializes inattempting to find fault with others while NEVER adding anything of even the most remote value to a thread or discussion.
Not one time has he ever written anything of vaule or interest.
The Tin man got very lucky and loose last time, it won't happen again. That you can bet on.

Last time?? He has finished behind one horse in his 4 starts this year...David Junior. Last I heard, he's an ok horse. the Tin Man is having an unbelievable year for an 8 year old. It is not like he has had one lucky race this year getting loose. He has been superb in all 4 races this year...again finishing ahead of every single comer but one...David Junior.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Last time?? He has finished behind one horse in his 4 starts this year...David Junior. Last I heard, he's an ok horse. the Tin Man is having an unbelievable year for an 8 year old. It is not like he has had one lucky race this year getting loose. He has been superb in all 4 races this year...again finishing ahead of every single comer but one...David Junior.

I dont think he's strong enough for a likely very strong Euro contingent in the BC Turf...but to knock what he has done this year as I am reading is insanity defined.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Repent,
Dunbat specializes inattempting to find fault with others while NEVER adding anything of even the most remote value to a thread or discussion.
Not one time has he ever written anything of vaule or interest.
The Tin man got very lucky and loose last time, it won't happen again. That you can bet on.

You're the only one who thinks that about Dunbar.

With regards to The Tin Man's last race, explain to me why Cacique couldn't beat him. They were neck and neck at the quarter pole. The Tin Man proceeded to blow him away in the stretch. Cacique had no excuses. You need to watch the replay.

When two horses are neck and neck at the quarter pole and one horse blows the other away in the stretch, how could you come up with an excuse?

[Gander]

I'm really looking forward to this race. I hope the Tin Man runs away from them again. How can you not love this horse?

[Danzig]

so, is it still the plan for the tin man and english channel to square off again in the hirsch??

[Gander]

What I dont understand is why when front runners (like Tin Man) set a slow pace and win, their efforts are so quickly admonished and when horses like English Channel get dream stalking trip off fast fractions and win, they are deemed super horses?

Can somebody please answer this. Thanks.

[Gander]

English Channel wont ship out there, will he? Why wouldnt he just run at Belmont on Oct 7th and avoid facing the Tin Man?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Gander

English Channel wont ship out there, will he? Why wouldnt he just run at Belmont on Oct 7th and avoid facing the Tin Man?

i read it the other day, that he may go in the hirsch...seemed a bit strange to me, that's why i'm wondering if it's so....

as for why is it horses who 'steal' it don't get respect??? hmmm, i guess the same reason why stone closers are always needing to just go a little longer!! lol he'll get there next time, all he needed was one more furlong. yeah, yeah, sure, sure.

go figure. everyone loves to see those silky sullivan wanna-be's. look how much praise gorella gets. she fits the bill perfectly.

Originally Posted by Gander

English Channel wont ship out there, will he? Why wouldnt he just run at Belmont on Oct 7th and avoid facing the Tin Man?

Why wouldn't he do both Tim?
And Tim really, I mean that day at Arlington the fillies went in 1:11:3 and the million was in 1:15. I don't think you understand just how slow that pace was, you certainly don't if you are asking that question.
Picture the Tin Man running that fast against the fillies in the beverly D, he'd have been 17 lengths off the lead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! '
That pace wasn't slow, it was a walk for real.
Sorry but no matter who sets a pace like that, its hard to take the race at face value.
Its not a knock against the Tin Man at all, and noone is knocking him.
But its just unrealistic that he could get away with that in the Breeders
Cup.
So Tim, just to clarify this, are you saying he will win the Breeders Cup? Because you can't have it both ways. hes either than good without an easy lead, or hes not. And you either think that ever in his life again he could get loose in 1:15, or its not.
But I will tell you this, as much as you wanna bet, lemme know, I want Cacique heads up agaisnt him the next time they meet.

[Danzig]

just did an archive search on drf, sure enough, english channel is mentioned as going out west, as is wait a while. or MAY be going out west...who knows?? guess we'll see!


http://www.drf.com/drfNewsArticle.do...4&subs=0&arc=1

[Honu]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Why wouldn't he do both Tim?
And Tim really, I mean that day at Arlington the fillies went in 1:11:3 and the million was in 1:15. I don't think you understand just how slow that pace was, you certainly don't if you are asking that question.
Picture the Tin Man running that fast against the fillies in the beverly D, he'd have been 17 lengths off the lead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! '
That pace wasn't slow, it was a walk for real.
Sorry but no matter who sets a pace like that, its hard to take the race at face value.
Its not a knock against the Tin Man at all, and noone is knocking him.
But its just unrealistic that he could get away with that in the Breeders
Cup.
So Tim, just to clarify this, are you saying he will win the Breeders Cup? Because you can't have it both ways. hes either than good without an easy lead, or hes not. And you either think that ever in his life again he could get loose in 1:15, or its not.
But I will tell you this, as much as you wanna bet, lemme know, I want Cacique heads up agaisnt him the next time they meet.

You are right oracle to think that jockeys wont be that dumb again and give him an easy lead , ha but what if they do , that would be fricken funny, and it could happen. For sure Victor rides this horse 100 percent better than Mike Smith , Mike used to just let him fly out to the lead and open up as much as he could and see if they could come and catch him which Johar and High Chapparell did in the 2003 Breeders cup and he wasnt as good as he is now.
But if he draws a middle to outside post and someone chooses to go to the front and set some pace well then he will stalk and he can stalk and he can win doing it . Because I kind of get tunnel vision , who will be the pace setters in the Breeders Cup?

[repent]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Repent,
Dunbat specializes inattempting to find fault with others while NEVER adding anything of even the most remote value to a thread or discussion.
Not one time has he ever written anything of vaule or interest.
The Tin man got very lucky and loose last time, it won't happen again. That you can bet on.

good to know.
as for the whole Tin Man thing-
look, I know everyone loves these old geldings and wants to think they get better with age.
but that Million race's fractions were ridiculous and its simply not going to happen in a race on BC day.
The Tin Man was allowed to set slow fraction in the 2002 BC Turf against a much weaker field, and did not get the job done.
good luck to anyone betting him this time around, b/c they are going to need it.


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