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[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

How many illegals are in the country now, Dell?

between 22 and 23 million

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

between 22 and 23 million

try half that.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

try half that.

http://immigrationcounters.com/

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

http://immigrationcounters.com/

Not exactly an "objective" site, there. I'd want to see other estimates. Edit: I saw 'Zigs stuff.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

try half that.

but I hope you're right!

[Danzig]

i asked google, and saw that number-and more than once, including from INS. it's down from a high of 12 million or so in 07. perhaps your site includes legal immigrants?

at any rate, this thread got me thinking, and searching...and i found this:


http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscal.pdf


still in the process of reading it, but it certainly is enlightening thus far. i was unaware just how much of a financial drain that illegals are on the federal budget; one would have to assume that it's a drain on state budgets as well-for those experiencing high levels of illegals in their state. no doubt scuds will chime in on this altho california has other issues as well, such as education in that state making up 40% of the total budget costs, and retirement pay for govt workers being incredibly high.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i asked google, and saw that number-and more than once, including from INS. it's down from a high of 12 million or so in 07. perhaps your site includes legal immigrants?

at any rate, this thread got me thinking, and searching...and i found this:


http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscal.pdf


still in the process of reading it, but it certainly is enlightening thus far. i was unaware just how much of a financial drain that illegals are on the federal budget; one would have to assume that it's a drain on state budgets as well-for those experiencing high levels of illegals in their state. no doubt scuds will chime in on this altho california has other issues as well, such as education in that state making up 40% of the total budget costs, and retirement pay for govt workers being incredibly high.

you also need to take into consideration how much money is sent home rather than being re-invested back into our economy, taxed every step of the way.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

you also need to take into consideration how much money is sent home rather than being re-invested back into our economy, taxed every step of the way.

am I the only one who thinks its noble to send money back to your family in a very poor country?

I have more respect for most illegals in this country than I do for most citizens.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

am I the only one who thinks its noble to send money back to your family in a very poor country?

I have more respect for most illegals in this country than I do for most citizens.

i think i'm the only one who doesn't give half a damn whether someone else knows how to speak english. it certainly is no difficulty for me if someone else chooses not to learn it-has absolutely no affect on my quality of life at all. why is it a big deal?
i had a guy tell me he didn't like that mexican immigrants fly their flag. i told him i was very proud of my irish heritage, and if i flew that flag no one would care. why is mexico different? back a hundred years ago, it was a different story, with 'irish need not apply' signs everywhere. he was a reasonable fellow, and listened to what i had to say, and i did the same. i think both of us learned a bit from the conversation.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

am I the only one who thinks its noble to send money back to your family in a very poor country?

I have more respect for most illegals in this country than I do for most citizens.

I think everyone should be documented. It's very bizarre that people could come in here, bypass all the legal immigrants who are waiting patiently with all the paperwork, and not get punished. And they eat up our health resources because when they get sick, they take up space in a hospital that should be reserved for a legitimate citizen.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

you also need to take into consideration how much money is sent home rather than being re-invested back into our economy, taxed every step of the way.

i'd imagine more money isn't spend by fat cats who ship their money to offshore accounts.
the folks here may be sending money home, but how much do they spend here as well? it's a lot bigger picture than many imagine. it's a complex problem, and it'll take a complex solution.

[dellinger63]

Incidentally over 413,000 in custody and 732,000 fugitives

1.89 million anchor babies born

I'd argue the trivial amount of money they contribute and leave into SS is set off solely by the cost of those incarcerated.

Now how much $$$ do you suppose they have earned and sent home?

How much money has been spent educating them, including going so far as teaching in a bi-lingual environment?

Just recently we had new arrivals come in to the local bar for some cervezas after doing some roofing work. They ordered by pointing. Despite them living in Harvard, IL 8 miles away they hadn't a clue they were in Wisconsin. Not that they had traveled over the border from IL but they had never heard of the word Wisconsin.

Thank God at least locally you push 1 for English or 2 to hang up and call back when you learn how to speak it.

PS I'm sure these two all-stars had insurance on the truck they drove away with. I can't bear to think of the possibility of them having DL's though anything out of the Sec of State of IL would not surprise me.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Incidentally over 413,000 in custody and 732,000 fugitives

1.89 million anchor babies born

I'd argue the trivial amount of money they contribute and leave into SS is set off solely by the cost of those incarcerated.

Now how much $$$ do you suppose they have earned and sent home?

How much money has been spent educating them, including going so far as teaching in a bi-lingual environment?

Just recently we had new arrivals come in to the local bar for some cervezas after doing some roofing work. They ordered by pointing. Despite them living in Harvard, IL 8 miles away they hadn't a clue they were in Wisconsin. Not that they had traveled over the border from IL but they had never heard of the word Wisconsin.

Thank God at least locally you push 1 for English or 2 to hang up and call back when you learn how to speak it.

PS I'm sure these two all-stars had insurance on the truck they drove away with. I can't bear to think of the possibility of them having DL's though anything out of the Sec of State of IL would not surprise me.

this is ridiculous.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Incidentally over 413,000 in custody and 732,000 fugitives

1.89 million anchor babies born

I'd argue the trivial amount of money they contribute and leave into SS is set off solely by the cost of those incarcerated.

Now how much $$$ do you suppose they have earned and sent home?

How much money has been spent educating them, including going so far as teaching in a bi-lingual environment?

Just recently we had new arrivals come in to the local bar for some cervezas after doing some roofing work. They ordered by pointing. Despite them living in Harvard, IL 8 miles away they hadn't a clue they were in Wisconsin. Not that they had traveled over the border from IL but they had never heard of the word Wisconsin.

Thank God at least locally you push 1 for English or 2 to hang up and call back when you learn how to speak it.

PS I'm sure these two all-stars had insurance on the truck they drove away with. I can't bear to think of the possibility of them having DL's though anything out of the Sec of State of IL would not surprise me.

Come on, let's be fair to them. I'd say about half of the people living in this state have probably never heard of Wisconsin, and come to think of it, I'm not sure there is really much of a reason to know (or care) that it exists.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Come on, let's be fair to them. I'd say about half of the people living in this state have probably never heard of Wisconsin, and come to think of it, I'm not sure there is really much of a reason to know (or care) that it exists.

you may be right come to think of it. It's a good thing because the lake is at full capacity already most summer days.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

you may be right come to think of it. It's a good thing because the lake is at full capacity already most summer days.

In truth, however, I have much more respect for the people of Wisconsin now that so many of them detest Favre.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Come on, let's be fair to them. I'd say about half of the people living in this state have probably never heard of Wisconsin, and come to think of it, I'm not sure there is really much of a reason to know (or care) that it exists.

there are us citizens who are unaware that new mexico is indeed part of the united states. i doubt many could find their home state on a map.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Incidentally over 413,000 in custody and 732,000 fugitives

1.89 million anchor babies born

I'd argue the trivial amount of money they contribute and leave into SS is set off solely by the cost of those incarcerated.

You are saying that there are 413,000 illegal aliens 'in custody' - for being illegal? (not for crimes). Where are these nearly half million people being held? Where do you get those figures?