Republican Senator in Massachusetts?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Riot

Dell, we do that now - if you don't have insurance, and go to the doctor or ER, you pay premium high price, your price is higher than those with insurance, and that covers the shortfall from everyone else. The prices set by the ER and docs are set to cover those patients without insurance reimbursement. The costs of everyone paying for the non-covered are now built into the system.

I would rather the low-income person buy inexpensive coverage themselves, and pay for it themselves, and get them off Medicaid, rather than have me subsidize them via Medicaid taxes and increased costs for me because they don't have insurance.



The exact same thing that happens now. He gets emergency only minimal overage and we pay for it. There is no provision for someone - including you or I - to have to show proof of American citizenship prior to receiving emergency medical treatment. We don't have to do that now, and we won't in the future.

The bills say specifically that illegal immigrants will NOT be able to buy into the government insurance pools (if any pools remains in the final bill, which I doubt). I don't know how they would check that, probably the very same way insurance companies now check for illegal aliens when those illegal aliens try and buy private insurance policies.

We shouldn't pay for it. Problem solved. No care.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

We shouldn't pay for it. Problem solved. No care.

But the point is that American citizens pay for the health care procedures of the uninsured RIGHT NOW. The current system is a system where people without coverage go to the emergency room and receive treatment that people with coverage pay for. That is the way it currently works.

I take it you want to fundamentally change the current system so that if uninsured people go to the emergency room they simply get kicked out. That's fine if that is your opinion, but I seriously doubt if you will even get many Republicans to go to voters with that agenda.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

We shouldn't pay for it. Problem solved. No care.

So you are in favor of National ID cards proving citizenship? And when you present at the ER with crushing chest pain, the doctors should hold off on starting your IV, hooking you up to ECG, giving you nitroglycerin, and correcting any arrhythmia until you can prove you're an American citizen?

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

So you are in favor of National ID cards proving citizenship? And when you present at the ER with crushing chest pain, the doctors should hold off on starting your IV, hooking you up to ECG, giving you nitroglycerin, and correcting any arrhythmia until you can prove you're an American citizen?

I am. F these worthless pieces of crap illegals. If they want to come to this country legally and learn our lanuage no problem. Its very discouraging seeing these illegals and so called American citizens who are supposedly legal citizens burning the American flag. I had a friend email a pic showing the American flag below another countries' flag. Nice way to respect this great country of ours, im sure most the students families in the picture were probably on state aid or welfare maybe even getting cheap housing. This is the way they thank our country for giving them free handouts. Not in my country. Hell no!!!!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I am. F these worthless pieces of crap illegals. If they want to come to this country legally and learn our lanuage no problem. Its very discouraging seeing these illegals and so called American citizens who are supposedly legal citizens burning the American flag. I had a friend email a pic showing the American flag below another countries' flag. Nice way to respect this great country of ours, im sure most the students families in the picture were probably on state aid or welfare maybe even getting cheap housing. This is the way they thank our country for giving them free handouts. Not in my country. Hell no!!!!

In my country, we save people's lives first - everybody's life - then later worry about if they are some illegal Canadian.

You might call Nick Nicholson at Keeneland - they always have other countries flags the same height as the American flag on their flagpoles, and that poor flag etiquette has always bothered me.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I am. F these worthless pieces of crap illegals. If they want to come to this country legally and learn our lanuage no problem. Its very discouraging seeing these illegals and so called American citizens who are supposedly legal citizens burning the American flag. I had a friend email a pic showing the American flag below another countries' flag. Nice way to respect this great country of ours, im sure most the students families in the picture were probably on state aid or welfare maybe even getting cheap housing. This is the way they thank our country for giving them free handouts. Not in my country. Hell no!!!!

I agree Nascar. If people want to be here, they need to speak american!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Riot

So you are in favor of National ID cards proving citizenship? And when you present at the ER with crushing chest pain, the doctors should hold off on starting your IV, hooking you up to ECG, giving you nitroglycerin, and correcting any arrhythmia until you can prove you're an American citizen?

1) To begin with, Illegals shouldn't be getting in. Period. The people coming here for vacations should have to prove they have healthcare insurance, or stay the fk away.

2) If Illegals get in (with no insurance,) they should be treated in the E.R. only after all the seriously ill citizens are treated.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Riot

So you are in favor of National ID cards proving citizenship? And when you present at the ER with crushing chest pain, the doctors should hold off on starting your IV, hooking you up to ECG, giving you nitroglycerin, and correcting any arrhythmia until you can prove you're an American citizen?

If that's what it takes.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

If that's what it takes.

i think that's a shame. i'm all in favor of getting the budget righted...but we're all human beings. you really think people should be left to die for the sake of the almighty dollar?? if they can't prove they can pay the bill, they're to be ignored? somehow, if you were the one gasping in pain and needing care, i really think your thoughts on this would change.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think that's a shame. i'm all in favor of getting the budget righted...but we're all human beings. you really think people should be left to die for the sake of the almighty dollar?? if they can't prove they can pay the bill, they're to be ignored? somehow, if you were the one gasping in pain and needing care, i really think your thoughts on this would change.

Common sense should prevail but what care for everyone does is it doesn't put the responsibility of taking care of oneself on that person. If someone is morbidly obese, that is a lifestyle choice. Why should I have to pay for their Type 2 Diabetes treatment?....Businesses who run promotions to lose weight for money....guess what people lose weight. Put it back on people.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Common sense should prevail but what care for everyone does is it doesn't put the responsibility of taking care of oneself on that person. If someone is morbidly obese, that is a lifestyle choice. Why should I have to pay for their Type 2 Diabetes treatment?....Businesses who run promotions to lose weight for money....guess what people lose weight. Put it back on people.

so is smoking, eating fried foods, red meat, not drinking enough milk, etc, etc. i'm not quite sure what a fat person has to do with your comments about letting people who are dying go without care so you don't have to pay. if everyone was insured, it would be the best way to handle medical treatment. that way, those of us with insurace wouldn't have to pay inflated prices to cover those who don't have insurance and have no way to pay. the question is, what is the best way to get everyone insured? the answer is not to completely lose our empathy towards others, and actually suggest letting people die by refusing treatment to save a buck. that's inhuman. do i think the current proposal in front on congress if the answer? no. but i find it disturbing that anyone would suggest turning a blind eye to someone in distress.
could we all do things to be healthier? sure. but i wouldn't suggest going thru the 'five guys burgers' thread to find people who practice bad eating habits and cancelling their coverage.

[randallscott35]

Danzig, if you came to this country illegally you don't deserve care...

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

so is smoking, eating fried foods, red meat, not drinking enough milk, etc, etc. i'm not quite sure what a fat person has to do with your comments about letting people who are dying go without care so you don't have to pay. if everyone was insured, it would be the best way to handle medical treatment. that way, those of us with insurace wouldn't have to pay inflated prices to cover those who don't have insurance and have no way to pay. the question is, what is the best way to get everyone insured? the answer is not to completely lose our empathy towards others, and actually suggest letting people die by refusing treatment to save a buck. that's inhuman. do i think the current proposal in front on congress if the answer? no. but i find it disturbing that anyone would suggest turning a blind eye to someone in distress.
could we all do things to be healthier? sure. but i wouldn't suggest going thru the 'five guys burgers' thread to find people who practice bad eating habits and cancelling their coverage.

Thank YOU for that!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

so is smoking, eating fried foods, red meat, not drinking enough milk, etc, etc. i'm not quite sure what a fat person has to do with your comments about letting people who are dying go without care so you don't have to pay. if everyone was insured, it would be the best way to handle medical treatment. that way, those of us with insurace wouldn't have to pay inflated prices to cover those who don't have insurance and have no way to pay. the question is, what is the best way to get everyone insured? the answer is not to completely lose our empathy towards others, and actually suggest letting people die by refusing treatment to save a buck. that's inhuman. do i think the current proposal in front on congress if the answer? no. but i find it disturbing that anyone would suggest turning a blind eye to someone in distress.
could we all do things to be healthier? sure. but i wouldn't suggest going thru the 'five guys burgers' thread to find people who practice bad eating habits and cancelling their coverage.

just as with auto insurance riskier clients (based mainly on driving history and age) pay more. Asking me to subsidize someone for bad health habits or for that matter me asking someone else to subsidize say my future liver damage is not fair. Then for 5 years collecting premiums before any coverage is started is PONZI-like. How many would go for Blue Cross marketing a plan where for five years you pay into to get insurance on your insurance in that it would be subsidized if it got too expensive to pay once the five years w/no coverage is completed. Of course still not given a quote on what the ultimate cost will be.

As far as illegals are concerned I'd think with the horrible, expensive health care system in the U.S. they'd go home for care or at least to Cuba.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

If that's what it takes.

I don't want that government intrusion in my life.

I already have to prove what I'm doing here to immigration sometimes when I'm just driving through New Mexico, Arizona near the southern border.

[joeydb]

Not government ID cards. Useless, and they can be forged (and will be).

A fingerprint database linked to the one already used for "Social Security Numbers". That's a nonintrusive answer, and quite safe from identity theft concerns. Not many people would (or can) alter their fingerprints surgically, all ten of them, perfectly. Low risk.

You wouldn't have to carry a card. And the few times this passive device would be used is for security, or at a hospital, airport, buying a gun, proving you're of age at a bar, voting, etc. It would greatly simplify every current need we have for showing identification. And the illegals would have nowhere to hide their status.

It's not active. It would not track your whereabouts, though I suspect they can already do that with cell phones that we all carry.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

A fingerprint database linked to the one already used for "Social Security Numbers". That's a nonintrusive answer, and quite safe from identity theft concerns. Not many people would (or can) alter their fingerprints surgically, all ten of them, perfectly. Low risk.

I agree with the effectiveness and security, but again, I do NOT want to have to prove I am an American citizen as I go about my daily business living in America. I have to do that in some states now.

I do NOT want more government intrusion into my private life.