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Old 01-19-2010, 04:29 PM
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Be afraid, be very afraid Dems. You have pissed off the electorate enough to lose a MA Senate seat. In 3 hours we will know that this is a one term president and goodbye to the House.
That is one slippery slope and quite an exageration. They are going to lose the House anyway...almost every mid term election that is set up this way swings like that. Stop making it out to be anything more than the normal fickleness of the US Voter.

But to make such a grandiose prediction about a one term President at this point is just grandstanding. Good luck with that one..As I have said elsewhere here, Four More Years and I truly think it will happen.
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Old 01-19-2010, 04:44 PM
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i remember a few years ago, dems were dead and the republicans were going to rule the world...remember? right now the republicans don't control anything. too soon to say it's over for obama and company.

but it has always seemed when it's all one way, the voters send congress in the other direction from the white house. that's what seems about to happen. but a lot can change between now and november.
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Old 01-20-2010, 07:21 AM
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i remember a few years ago, dems were dead and the republicans were going to rule the world...remember? right now the republicans don't control anything. too soon to say it's over for obama and company.

but it has always seemed when it's all one way, the voters send congress in the other direction from the white house. that's what seems about to happen. but a lot can change between now and november.

That is a very true statement you just made. Im thinking if the economy and unemployment aren't fixed between now and November I would hate to be a Democrat up for election. They will feel the wrath of the voters.
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Old 01-20-2010, 07:28 AM
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I keep seeing things about demographics and "old conservative white men" posted here.

This is what I don't understand: why would that matter? Are working non-caucasian people any happier about having their hard-earned money stolen from them through taxation to give to the bum next door?

It's about conservatism and how it's a better alternative to the overgrown and entrenched welfare state. And how that welfare state is not sustainable.

When enough people, whom we previously haven't heard from politically at the polls, vote in favor in keeping more of their money rather than subsidizing the lifestyle of those who don't work, liberalism is dead.

By the way, there is no such thing as an entitlement. It is impossible for anyone to be "entitled" to the earnings of somebody else. Not one penny. Charity and emergency spending are different, but this "baseline budgeting" of social programs year after year must end, so it will end, or the system (and the dollar) will break.
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Old 01-20-2010, 08:42 AM
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I keep seeing things about demographics and "old conservative white men" posted here.

This is what I don't understand: why would that matter? Are working non-caucasian people any happier about having their hard-earned money stolen from them through taxation to give to the bum next door?

It's about conservatism and how it's a better alternative to the overgrown and entrenched welfare state. And how that welfare state is not sustainable.

When enough people, whom we previously haven't heard from politically at the polls, vote in favor in keeping more of their money rather than subsidizing the lifestyle of those who don't work, liberalism is dead.

By the way, there is no such thing as an entitlement. It is impossible for anyone to be "entitled" to the earnings of somebody else. Not one penny. Charity and emergency spending are different, but this "baseline budgeting" of social programs year after year must end, so it will end, or the system (and the dollar) will break.
friggin great post!
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Old 01-20-2010, 08:44 AM
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What a great day.
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I keep seeing things about demographics and "old conservative white men" posted here.

This is what I don't understand: why would that matter?
It matters from the strictly political analysis of party makeups, voter predictions - census type stuff. There are very well-known trends there, and changes are significant.
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The Obama team (Axelrod) actually believing if only Coakley had called for their help sooner they could have won ignoring the fact that THEY are largely the cause of her loss is so priceless it should be publically ignored. (Don't tap the glass) The people of Mass don't want socialism and have spoken. Imagine how States like Ohio, FL, IN, IA feel? But you GO Obama don't let these voters tell you anything. Socialism works, at least on paper. LOL

IMO It's the most beautiful Wednesday in at least a year and now you know why all the big smiles!
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Old 01-20-2010, 02:31 PM
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That is a very true statement you just made. Im thinking if the economy and unemployment aren't fixed between now and November I would hate to be a Democrat up for election. They will feel the wrath of the voters.
Because McCain-Palin would have "fixed the economy and jobs" in that time?
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Old 01-20-2010, 02:43 PM
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O'Dumbass knows his reform bill is in trouble now. Funny he is telling his fellow Democrats dont jam the bill down the Republicans. Wonder what O'Dumbass thinks about Pelosi's remark that the bill will get passed one way or another. I guess that means Senator elect Brown will probably have to wait an enormous amount of time to get seated. If it was Coakley who won she would already be seated. Cant wait for November to get here. We shall see who has the power. Especially waiting for November 2012 to get here. Im sure everyone would say that if it was the other way the same thing would happen. Everyone is entitled to thier freedom of speech. This is what makes this a great country to live in.
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Old 01-20-2010, 02:44 PM
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Because McCain-Palin would have "fixed the economy and jobs" in that time?
Im pretty confident they would do a better job than the inexperienced O'Dumbass is doing. To go from being a 1st term Senator to President is a huge step.
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I feel sorry for people on Social Security and Military Vets like myself. Why you ask this is the first time in many years the above aren't getting a Cost of Living Allowance raise. Yet he wastes taxpayer's money to try to get the Olympics to Chicago which I am happy to see him miserably fail at. Seems like every time he butts his nose into to something failure occurs. Here are some examples of his failure:

Coakley losing the Senator election.
Republicans winning Governor races in New Jersey and Virginia.

Coakley's lose is an example of what happens when you take something for granted. She figured she was going to win because a Republicans hasn't won in over 30 years in the state of Massachusetts. Wake up missy people are already sick and tired of the Democrats lies and deception.

People might says the Republicans suck but at least Bush gave COLA raises.
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People might says the Republicans suck...

You could easily do that Republican Senator job. Talk about getting paid for doing nothing. Could just program robots to vote no. Actually some of them voted for the obviously biased racist to get confirmed to the Supreme Court. Have no idea why they voted for yes for that poor selection. Other than that political correctness, could of just had 40 robots showing up. What gets me is these Conservative doctors get all this education, and then would rather do a job so easy that any white trash tea party guy could do it. That a-hole from Oklahoma should be delivering babies, and cleaning up yeast infections. Nascar could easily cover that job in the senate.

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Old 01-20-2010, 03:23 PM
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Im pretty confident they would do a better job than the inexperienced O'Dumbass is doing. To go from being a 1st term Senator to President is a huge step.
What do you think McCain would have done? "Cut taxes"? Well, Obama cut your payroll taxes already last spring. "Cut taxes more to create jobs"? See what happened to unemployment numbers when Reagan cut taxes to create jobs during his recession - those numberes skyrocketed (the concepts in "Reaganomics" was a pretty big failure in retrospect)

The GOP is currently gearing up to fight hard for tax cuts - the taxes that are going to be imposed on bank bonus money, as payback for TARP funding, as per the law that was passed when the banks got the money.

The GOP, fighting for free market capitalism.

What specifically do you think should have been done differently, had the GOP been in charge this past year, starting with the Bush bailouts and initial stimulus?
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See ? With the progressives, it's not about being anti-Republican.
It's about making the stupid citizens go along with their agenda.
"Because we progressives know what's best for you. "
I find the above disparate, because to me, it's most obviously the far (far extreme) right that is trying desperately to impose their opinion of "how the world should be" on everyone else, especially their religion and morals. Vocally, nastily, and with overt violence, lies and deep hypocrisy.
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What do you think McCain would have done? "Cut taxes"? Well, Obama cut your payroll taxes already last spring. "Cut taxes more to create jobs"? See what happened to unemployment numbers when Reagan cut taxes to create jobs during his recession - those numberes skyrocketed (the concepts in "Reaganomics" was a pretty big failure in retrospect)

The GOP is currently gearing up to fight hard for tax cuts - the taxes that are going to be imposed on bank bonus money, as payback for TARP funding, as per the law that was passed when the banks got the money.

The GOP, fighting for free market capitalism.

What specifically do you think should have been done differently, had the GOP been in charge this past year, starting with the Bush bailouts and initial stimulus?

Why did O'Dumbass give stimulus checks when we had to pay it back. Some form of stimulus.
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i remember a few years ago, dems were dead and the republicans were going to rule the world...remember? right now the republicans don't control anything. too soon to say it's over for obama and company.

but it has always seemed when it's all one way, the voters send congress in the other direction from the white house. that's what seems about to happen. but a lot can change between now and november.

thats because all politicians are incompetant. Both Parties. So one party is in there, they screw up like they always do, the other party goes in..

The other party screws up like they always do, back to the first party again.

Never ending cycle and nothing good comes out of it, like ever. We REALLY need a third party in this country. I'm voting for Coach Pants.
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thats because all politicians are incompetant. Both Parties. So one party is in there, they screw up like they always do, the other party goes in..

The other party screws up like they always do, back to the first party again.

Never ending cycle and nothing good comes out of it, like ever. We REALLY need a third party in this country. I'm voting for Coach Pants.
True. I also think its an indication that most voters want a middle ground. Heck of a result when you consider how long dems held that seat
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True. I also think its an indication that most voters want a middle ground. Heck of a result when you consider how long dems held that seat
Today is a great day and I am so thrilled there are 41 Red's in the Senate now.

Also, a very liberal dem in the house (dont know name) said "maybe we should think about taking a step back, passing through a jobs bill that has some health reform attached to lower costs"

If this hypothetical "jobs" bill has some tort reform in it, elimination of pre-existing conditions, language stating that you cant drop someone for getting sick, and opens up competition over state lines.... AND costs less than 50 billion or so (which is still insanily high).. then I'm all for it!!
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Today is a great day and I am so thrilled there are 41 Red's in the Senate now.

Also, a very liberal dem in the house (dont know name) said "maybe we should think about taking a step back, passing through a jobs bill that has some health reform attached to lower costs"

If this hypothetical "jobs" bill has some tort reform in it, elimination of pre-existing conditions, language stating that you cant drop someone for getting sick, and opens up competition over state lines.... AND costs less than 50 billion or so (which is still insanily high).. then I'm all for it!!

i would rather they passed something with incentives for more employers to offer insurance. since it seems for the most part to be handled by businesses anyway, they need to make it easier, more affordable to get for small businesses. then, if it didn't cost the employer so much, they in turn wouldn't have to get the employee to pay such a large portion. more purchasers in turn drives down cost. more purchasers engenders more competition as well between insurers.
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