The 1st race at Beulah today

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by cakes44

I tried playing Beulah again yesterday. What is the worst part about Beulah racing...the horses, the jocks, or the track?

part of what sucks is this horse went off at 1/5 and ran 3rd, which means you cant tell which horses are feeling ok enough to run that day and which ones just want to lay down and die.

[Duvalier]

I knew that the blinkers would help the #1...much improved effort. Only got beat 32 3/4 today...last time at this same distance ended up 56 3/4 back. Next time.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

How in the hell did this thread end up in selections?

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

How in the hell did this thread end up in selections?

I was wondering the same thing.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

How in the hell did this thread end up in selections?

Not enough pictures

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

part of what sucks is this horse went off at 1/5 and ran 3rd, which means you cant tell which horses are feeling ok enough to run that day and which ones just want to lay down and die.

Beulah is the "Graveyard of Favorites".

Literally.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Beulah is the "Graveyard of Favorites".

Literally.

Exactly.

Imagine you owned a Storm Cat/Mr. Prospector filly that's a half to a multiple Group 1 winner ... nice residual value there ... how bad would that horse have to be training for you to even consider shipping to Beulah and running for a less than 6k purse?

The stunning thing was that the horse wasn't scratched.

The lack of hotties in this thread was a let down.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Imagine you owned a Storm Cat/Mr. Prospector filly that's a half to a multiple Group 1 winner ... nice residual value there ... how bad would that horse have to be training for you to even consider shipping to Beulah and running for a less than 6k purse?

I'd imagine it was all about trying to say she is a "winner" for catalog and produce purposes. I can't imagine that there could have been softer spot to accomplish that goal.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

I'd imagine it was all about trying to say she is a "winner" for catalog and produce purposes. I can't imagine that there could have been softer spot to accomplish that goal.

Is something like that really going to matter regarding enhancing her value?

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Is something like that really going to matter regarding enhancing her value?

Does it really enhance her value? Hard to say. But I had a conversation with a farm manager this past fall who described to me a situation with a well-bred NY-bred filly for a big breeder here in New York. The filly couldn't break her maiden on the NYRA circuit and was shipped to Finger Lakes specifically to break her maiden and make her a "winner," both to help the filly herself and the mare she came from. She won the race and was promptly retired.

I've often said that catalog pages lie. "Winner at 3, $30,000" can mean dramatically different things if you look at the PPs of two different mares. It's for the buyer to do the necessary homework and uncover those differences.

[richard]

Dark Cheetah, a Storm Cat gelding, won recently in Philly . On 1/12 at pretty good odds.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Does it really enhance her value? Hard to say. But I had a conversation with a farm manager this past fall who described to me a situation with a well-bred NY-bred filly for a big breeder here in New York. The filly couldn't break her maiden on the NYRA circuit and was shipped to Finger Lakes specifically to break her maiden and make her a "winner," both to help the filly herself and the mare she came from. She won the race and was promptly retired.

I've often said that catalog pages lie. "Winner at 3, $30,000" can mean dramatically different things if you look at the PPs of two different mares. It's for the buyer to do the necessary homework and uncover those differences.

The fact that they were too disheartened to even try running once in a Turfway MSW over a surface logically far more to her liking is pretty telling on what they think of her current ability.

I would have bet anything they scratched. Even if they thought she'd be worth a slight bit more as a "winner" - that was one of the sillier moves I've ever seen in racing.

She's got to have pretty good residual value.

How many young mares are there out there who are by Storm Cat out of a Mr. P mare - and are a half sibling to an undefeated multiple Group 1 winner?

I'm going to take a wild guess and say ... probably only her.

Insane that someone would pay all that money to ship her over from Europe .. keep her in training .. and when she trains like a dog, they risk their entire investment over a sloppy track at Beulah in the middle of winter.

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

part of what sucks is this horse went off at 1/5 and ran 3rd, which means you cant tell which horses are feeling ok enough to run that day and which ones just want to lay down and die.

Most horses feel fine until they read "Beulah Park" on top of the gate, then they get nervous. The ones shipping from MTR know whats up.